Proving that $f(x)$ divides $x^p^n - x$ iff $deg f(x)$ divides $n$

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Prove that $f(x)$ divides $x^p^n - x$ if and only if $d := deg f(x)$ divides $n$.
I believe that I have the backward direction covered: Let $d mid n$ say $n = dq$ for some $q$ in $mathbbF_p[x]$. Consider the field $mathbbF_p[x]/(f(x))$ which has $p^d$ elements. Take an element $x+I$ from the field (here $I = (f(x))$) so we have: $(x+I)^p^n = (x+I)^p^dq$. As long as you keep factoring out $(x+I)$ with the $p^d$ power you will get $(x+I)$ so $x^p^n - x in (f(x))$.
I am having trouble getting to the other direction.
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Prove that $f(x)$ divides $x^p^n - x$ if and only if $d := deg f(x)$ divides $n$.
I believe that I have the backward direction covered: Let $d mid n$ say $n = dq$ for some $q$ in $mathbbF_p[x]$. Consider the field $mathbbF_p[x]/(f(x))$ which has $p^d$ elements. Take an element $x+I$ from the field (here $I = (f(x))$) so we have: $(x+I)^p^n = (x+I)^p^dq$. As long as you keep factoring out $(x+I)$ with the $p^d$ power you will get $(x+I)$ so $x^p^n - x in (f(x))$.
I am having trouble getting to the other direction.
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You are, of course, talking of polynomials over finite fields (in fact, over the prime field $,Bbb F_p,$) and not merely $,R[x],$ , since otherwise there are counterexamples...
â DonAntonio
Oct 20 '12 at 22:23
Sorry about that I fixed it. I'm typing from a phone.
â Student
Oct 20 '12 at 22:25
Oh, dear! Then stop at once or you'll fall down (if walking), or even worse: you may crash your car if driving (and it is illegal)
â DonAntonio
Oct 20 '12 at 22:28
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Is $f(x)$ supposed to be irreducible over $mathbbF_p$? Otherwise, $mathbbF_p[x]/(f(x))$ won't be a field.
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Feb 25 '16 at 1:31
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Prove that $f(x)$ divides $x^p^n - x$ if and only if $d := deg f(x)$ divides $n$.
I believe that I have the backward direction covered: Let $d mid n$ say $n = dq$ for some $q$ in $mathbbF_p[x]$. Consider the field $mathbbF_p[x]/(f(x))$ which has $p^d$ elements. Take an element $x+I$ from the field (here $I = (f(x))$) so we have: $(x+I)^p^n = (x+I)^p^dq$. As long as you keep factoring out $(x+I)$ with the $p^d$ power you will get $(x+I)$ so $x^p^n - x in (f(x))$.
I am having trouble getting to the other direction.
abstract-algebra ring-theory
Prove that $f(x)$ divides $x^p^n - x$ if and only if $d := deg f(x)$ divides $n$.
I believe that I have the backward direction covered: Let $d mid n$ say $n = dq$ for some $q$ in $mathbbF_p[x]$. Consider the field $mathbbF_p[x]/(f(x))$ which has $p^d$ elements. Take an element $x+I$ from the field (here $I = (f(x))$) so we have: $(x+I)^p^n = (x+I)^p^dq$. As long as you keep factoring out $(x+I)$ with the $p^d$ power you will get $(x+I)$ so $x^p^n - x in (f(x))$.
I am having trouble getting to the other direction.
abstract-algebra ring-theory
edited Aug 26 at 17:46
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You are, of course, talking of polynomials over finite fields (in fact, over the prime field $,Bbb F_p,$) and not merely $,R[x],$ , since otherwise there are counterexamples...
â DonAntonio
Oct 20 '12 at 22:23
Sorry about that I fixed it. I'm typing from a phone.
â Student
Oct 20 '12 at 22:25
Oh, dear! Then stop at once or you'll fall down (if walking), or even worse: you may crash your car if driving (and it is illegal)
â DonAntonio
Oct 20 '12 at 22:28
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Is $f(x)$ supposed to be irreducible over $mathbbF_p$? Otherwise, $mathbbF_p[x]/(f(x))$ won't be a field.
â Myath
Feb 25 '16 at 1:31
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You are, of course, talking of polynomials over finite fields (in fact, over the prime field $,Bbb F_p,$) and not merely $,R[x],$ , since otherwise there are counterexamples...
â DonAntonio
Oct 20 '12 at 22:23
Sorry about that I fixed it. I'm typing from a phone.
â Student
Oct 20 '12 at 22:25
Oh, dear! Then stop at once or you'll fall down (if walking), or even worse: you may crash your car if driving (and it is illegal)
â DonAntonio
Oct 20 '12 at 22:28
2
Is $f(x)$ supposed to be irreducible over $mathbbF_p$? Otherwise, $mathbbF_p[x]/(f(x))$ won't be a field.
â Myath
Feb 25 '16 at 1:31
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You are, of course, talking of polynomials over finite fields (in fact, over the prime field $,Bbb F_p,$) and not merely $,R[x],$ , since otherwise there are counterexamples...
â DonAntonio
Oct 20 '12 at 22:23
You are, of course, talking of polynomials over finite fields (in fact, over the prime field $,Bbb F_p,$) and not merely $,R[x],$ , since otherwise there are counterexamples...
â DonAntonio
Oct 20 '12 at 22:23
Sorry about that I fixed it. I'm typing from a phone.
â Student
Oct 20 '12 at 22:25
Sorry about that I fixed it. I'm typing from a phone.
â Student
Oct 20 '12 at 22:25
Oh, dear! Then stop at once or you'll fall down (if walking), or even worse: you may crash your car if driving (and it is illegal)
â DonAntonio
Oct 20 '12 at 22:28
Oh, dear! Then stop at once or you'll fall down (if walking), or even worse: you may crash your car if driving (and it is illegal)
â DonAntonio
Oct 20 '12 at 22:28
2
2
Is $f(x)$ supposed to be irreducible over $mathbbF_p$? Otherwise, $mathbbF_p[x]/(f(x))$ won't be a field.
â Myath
Feb 25 '16 at 1:31
Is $f(x)$ supposed to be irreducible over $mathbbF_p$? Otherwise, $mathbbF_p[x]/(f(x))$ won't be a field.
â Myath
Feb 25 '16 at 1:31
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Hints:
(i) Show that the splitting field of the polynomial $,p(x):=x^p^n-xinBbb F_p[x],$ over the prime field $,Bbb F_p,$ is the field $,Bbb F_p^n,$
(ii) One way to go: show that the set of roots of the above polynomial $,p(x),$ in some algebraic closure of $,Bbb F_p,$ is a field...
(iii) Prove that $,Bbb F_p^d,$ is a subfield of $,Bbb F_p^n,$ iff $,dmid n,$
Of course, take into account that $,f(x)mid p(x)Longrightarrow,$ all the roots of $,f(x),$ are also roots of $,p(x),$
I believe you are saying that $mathbbF_p[x]/(g)$ is isomorphic to $F_p(alpha)$ for $g$ an irreducible polynomial. $alpha$ can only be algebraic in this new extension field. I'm not so sure how to show (iii).
â Student
Oct 21 '12 at 7:26
The one part that I'm still wondering is that your $p(x)$ is reducible in $mathbbF_p[x]$ don't you mean that the splitting field of the irreducible factor (w/ the same degree n) of $mathbbF_p[x]$ over the prime field $F_p$ is the field $mathbbF_p^n$?
â Student
Oct 21 '12 at 7:37
"My: $,p(x), $ definitely isn't irreducible over any field: how could it if zero is one of its roots?! Yet its splitting field is what I wrote there. Splitting fields can, and do, exist for any kind of polynomials, not only irreducible.
â DonAntonio
Oct 22 '12 at 2:53
About proving (iii): show that $$(x^p^d-x)mid(x^p^n-x)Longleftrightarrow dmid n$$
â DonAntonio
Oct 22 '12 at 2:55
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This question is very old, but there is a more direct solution worth noting.
Proof.
Suppose $f(x)$ divides $h(x):=x^p^n -x$. Then since $h(x)$ splits over $mathbbF_p^n$, so does $f(x)$. Let $alpha in mathbbF_p^n$ be a root of $f(x)$. Then $mathbbF_p(alpha)subset mathbbF_p^n$, and $[mathbbF_p(alpha): mathbbF_p] = d$. Finally, we have that $n = [mathbbF_p^n: mathbbF_p]= [mathbbF_p^n: mathbbF_p(alpha)][mathbbF_p(alpha): mathbbF_p]$, completing the proof that $d | n$.
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2 Answers
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
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active
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active
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Hints:
(i) Show that the splitting field of the polynomial $,p(x):=x^p^n-xinBbb F_p[x],$ over the prime field $,Bbb F_p,$ is the field $,Bbb F_p^n,$
(ii) One way to go: show that the set of roots of the above polynomial $,p(x),$ in some algebraic closure of $,Bbb F_p,$ is a field...
(iii) Prove that $,Bbb F_p^d,$ is a subfield of $,Bbb F_p^n,$ iff $,dmid n,$
Of course, take into account that $,f(x)mid p(x)Longrightarrow,$ all the roots of $,f(x),$ are also roots of $,p(x),$
I believe you are saying that $mathbbF_p[x]/(g)$ is isomorphic to $F_p(alpha)$ for $g$ an irreducible polynomial. $alpha$ can only be algebraic in this new extension field. I'm not so sure how to show (iii).
â Student
Oct 21 '12 at 7:26
The one part that I'm still wondering is that your $p(x)$ is reducible in $mathbbF_p[x]$ don't you mean that the splitting field of the irreducible factor (w/ the same degree n) of $mathbbF_p[x]$ over the prime field $F_p$ is the field $mathbbF_p^n$?
â Student
Oct 21 '12 at 7:37
"My: $,p(x), $ definitely isn't irreducible over any field: how could it if zero is one of its roots?! Yet its splitting field is what I wrote there. Splitting fields can, and do, exist for any kind of polynomials, not only irreducible.
â DonAntonio
Oct 22 '12 at 2:53
About proving (iii): show that $$(x^p^d-x)mid(x^p^n-x)Longleftrightarrow dmid n$$
â DonAntonio
Oct 22 '12 at 2:55
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up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Hints:
(i) Show that the splitting field of the polynomial $,p(x):=x^p^n-xinBbb F_p[x],$ over the prime field $,Bbb F_p,$ is the field $,Bbb F_p^n,$
(ii) One way to go: show that the set of roots of the above polynomial $,p(x),$ in some algebraic closure of $,Bbb F_p,$ is a field...
(iii) Prove that $,Bbb F_p^d,$ is a subfield of $,Bbb F_p^n,$ iff $,dmid n,$
Of course, take into account that $,f(x)mid p(x)Longrightarrow,$ all the roots of $,f(x),$ are also roots of $,p(x),$
I believe you are saying that $mathbbF_p[x]/(g)$ is isomorphic to $F_p(alpha)$ for $g$ an irreducible polynomial. $alpha$ can only be algebraic in this new extension field. I'm not so sure how to show (iii).
â Student
Oct 21 '12 at 7:26
The one part that I'm still wondering is that your $p(x)$ is reducible in $mathbbF_p[x]$ don't you mean that the splitting field of the irreducible factor (w/ the same degree n) of $mathbbF_p[x]$ over the prime field $F_p$ is the field $mathbbF_p^n$?
â Student
Oct 21 '12 at 7:37
"My: $,p(x), $ definitely isn't irreducible over any field: how could it if zero is one of its roots?! Yet its splitting field is what I wrote there. Splitting fields can, and do, exist for any kind of polynomials, not only irreducible.
â DonAntonio
Oct 22 '12 at 2:53
About proving (iii): show that $$(x^p^d-x)mid(x^p^n-x)Longleftrightarrow dmid n$$
â DonAntonio
Oct 22 '12 at 2:55
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up vote
2
down vote
accepted
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Hints:
(i) Show that the splitting field of the polynomial $,p(x):=x^p^n-xinBbb F_p[x],$ over the prime field $,Bbb F_p,$ is the field $,Bbb F_p^n,$
(ii) One way to go: show that the set of roots of the above polynomial $,p(x),$ in some algebraic closure of $,Bbb F_p,$ is a field...
(iii) Prove that $,Bbb F_p^d,$ is a subfield of $,Bbb F_p^n,$ iff $,dmid n,$
Of course, take into account that $,f(x)mid p(x)Longrightarrow,$ all the roots of $,f(x),$ are also roots of $,p(x),$
Hints:
(i) Show that the splitting field of the polynomial $,p(x):=x^p^n-xinBbb F_p[x],$ over the prime field $,Bbb F_p,$ is the field $,Bbb F_p^n,$
(ii) One way to go: show that the set of roots of the above polynomial $,p(x),$ in some algebraic closure of $,Bbb F_p,$ is a field...
(iii) Prove that $,Bbb F_p^d,$ is a subfield of $,Bbb F_p^n,$ iff $,dmid n,$
Of course, take into account that $,f(x)mid p(x)Longrightarrow,$ all the roots of $,f(x),$ are also roots of $,p(x),$
answered Oct 20 '12 at 22:34
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I believe you are saying that $mathbbF_p[x]/(g)$ is isomorphic to $F_p(alpha)$ for $g$ an irreducible polynomial. $alpha$ can only be algebraic in this new extension field. I'm not so sure how to show (iii).
â Student
Oct 21 '12 at 7:26
The one part that I'm still wondering is that your $p(x)$ is reducible in $mathbbF_p[x]$ don't you mean that the splitting field of the irreducible factor (w/ the same degree n) of $mathbbF_p[x]$ over the prime field $F_p$ is the field $mathbbF_p^n$?
â Student
Oct 21 '12 at 7:37
"My: $,p(x), $ definitely isn't irreducible over any field: how could it if zero is one of its roots?! Yet its splitting field is what I wrote there. Splitting fields can, and do, exist for any kind of polynomials, not only irreducible.
â DonAntonio
Oct 22 '12 at 2:53
About proving (iii): show that $$(x^p^d-x)mid(x^p^n-x)Longleftrightarrow dmid n$$
â DonAntonio
Oct 22 '12 at 2:55
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I believe you are saying that $mathbbF_p[x]/(g)$ is isomorphic to $F_p(alpha)$ for $g$ an irreducible polynomial. $alpha$ can only be algebraic in this new extension field. I'm not so sure how to show (iii).
â Student
Oct 21 '12 at 7:26
The one part that I'm still wondering is that your $p(x)$ is reducible in $mathbbF_p[x]$ don't you mean that the splitting field of the irreducible factor (w/ the same degree n) of $mathbbF_p[x]$ over the prime field $F_p$ is the field $mathbbF_p^n$?
â Student
Oct 21 '12 at 7:37
"My: $,p(x), $ definitely isn't irreducible over any field: how could it if zero is one of its roots?! Yet its splitting field is what I wrote there. Splitting fields can, and do, exist for any kind of polynomials, not only irreducible.
â DonAntonio
Oct 22 '12 at 2:53
About proving (iii): show that $$(x^p^d-x)mid(x^p^n-x)Longleftrightarrow dmid n$$
â DonAntonio
Oct 22 '12 at 2:55
I believe you are saying that $mathbbF_p[x]/(g)$ is isomorphic to $F_p(alpha)$ for $g$ an irreducible polynomial. $alpha$ can only be algebraic in this new extension field. I'm not so sure how to show (iii).
â Student
Oct 21 '12 at 7:26
I believe you are saying that $mathbbF_p[x]/(g)$ is isomorphic to $F_p(alpha)$ for $g$ an irreducible polynomial. $alpha$ can only be algebraic in this new extension field. I'm not so sure how to show (iii).
â Student
Oct 21 '12 at 7:26
The one part that I'm still wondering is that your $p(x)$ is reducible in $mathbbF_p[x]$ don't you mean that the splitting field of the irreducible factor (w/ the same degree n) of $mathbbF_p[x]$ over the prime field $F_p$ is the field $mathbbF_p^n$?
â Student
Oct 21 '12 at 7:37
The one part that I'm still wondering is that your $p(x)$ is reducible in $mathbbF_p[x]$ don't you mean that the splitting field of the irreducible factor (w/ the same degree n) of $mathbbF_p[x]$ over the prime field $F_p$ is the field $mathbbF_p^n$?
â Student
Oct 21 '12 at 7:37
"My: $,p(x), $ definitely isn't irreducible over any field: how could it if zero is one of its roots?! Yet its splitting field is what I wrote there. Splitting fields can, and do, exist for any kind of polynomials, not only irreducible.
â DonAntonio
Oct 22 '12 at 2:53
"My: $,p(x), $ definitely isn't irreducible over any field: how could it if zero is one of its roots?! Yet its splitting field is what I wrote there. Splitting fields can, and do, exist for any kind of polynomials, not only irreducible.
â DonAntonio
Oct 22 '12 at 2:53
About proving (iii): show that $$(x^p^d-x)mid(x^p^n-x)Longleftrightarrow dmid n$$
â DonAntonio
Oct 22 '12 at 2:55
About proving (iii): show that $$(x^p^d-x)mid(x^p^n-x)Longleftrightarrow dmid n$$
â DonAntonio
Oct 22 '12 at 2:55
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0
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This question is very old, but there is a more direct solution worth noting.
Proof.
Suppose $f(x)$ divides $h(x):=x^p^n -x$. Then since $h(x)$ splits over $mathbbF_p^n$, so does $f(x)$. Let $alpha in mathbbF_p^n$ be a root of $f(x)$. Then $mathbbF_p(alpha)subset mathbbF_p^n$, and $[mathbbF_p(alpha): mathbbF_p] = d$. Finally, we have that $n = [mathbbF_p^n: mathbbF_p]= [mathbbF_p^n: mathbbF_p(alpha)][mathbbF_p(alpha): mathbbF_p]$, completing the proof that $d | n$.
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up vote
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This question is very old, but there is a more direct solution worth noting.
Proof.
Suppose $f(x)$ divides $h(x):=x^p^n -x$. Then since $h(x)$ splits over $mathbbF_p^n$, so does $f(x)$. Let $alpha in mathbbF_p^n$ be a root of $f(x)$. Then $mathbbF_p(alpha)subset mathbbF_p^n$, and $[mathbbF_p(alpha): mathbbF_p] = d$. Finally, we have that $n = [mathbbF_p^n: mathbbF_p]= [mathbbF_p^n: mathbbF_p(alpha)][mathbbF_p(alpha): mathbbF_p]$, completing the proof that $d | n$.
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up vote
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This question is very old, but there is a more direct solution worth noting.
Proof.
Suppose $f(x)$ divides $h(x):=x^p^n -x$. Then since $h(x)$ splits over $mathbbF_p^n$, so does $f(x)$. Let $alpha in mathbbF_p^n$ be a root of $f(x)$. Then $mathbbF_p(alpha)subset mathbbF_p^n$, and $[mathbbF_p(alpha): mathbbF_p] = d$. Finally, we have that $n = [mathbbF_p^n: mathbbF_p]= [mathbbF_p^n: mathbbF_p(alpha)][mathbbF_p(alpha): mathbbF_p]$, completing the proof that $d | n$.
This question is very old, but there is a more direct solution worth noting.
Proof.
Suppose $f(x)$ divides $h(x):=x^p^n -x$. Then since $h(x)$ splits over $mathbbF_p^n$, so does $f(x)$. Let $alpha in mathbbF_p^n$ be a root of $f(x)$. Then $mathbbF_p(alpha)subset mathbbF_p^n$, and $[mathbbF_p(alpha): mathbbF_p] = d$. Finally, we have that $n = [mathbbF_p^n: mathbbF_p]= [mathbbF_p^n: mathbbF_p(alpha)][mathbbF_p(alpha): mathbbF_p]$, completing the proof that $d | n$.
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You are, of course, talking of polynomials over finite fields (in fact, over the prime field $,Bbb F_p,$) and not merely $,R[x],$ , since otherwise there are counterexamples...
â DonAntonio
Oct 20 '12 at 22:23
Sorry about that I fixed it. I'm typing from a phone.
â Student
Oct 20 '12 at 22:25
Oh, dear! Then stop at once or you'll fall down (if walking), or even worse: you may crash your car if driving (and it is illegal)
â DonAntonio
Oct 20 '12 at 22:28
2
Is $f(x)$ supposed to be irreducible over $mathbbF_p$? Otherwise, $mathbbF_p[x]/(f(x))$ won't be a field.
â Myath
Feb 25 '16 at 1:31