Proving that $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ for $z = x + iy$
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There is a question in my textbook:
Verify that $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ for $z = x + iy$ with $x, y in mathbbR$.
Hint: Boil this down to $(|x|-|y|)^2 geq 0$.
I followed the hint and logically arrived at the fact that if $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ then $(|x|-|y|)^2 geq 0$ is true. However, I couldn't see how it helps me prove the converse to be true:
My work:
Let $z = x+iy$, then
beginalign*
&, sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
iff&, 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
iff&, 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 \
iff&, (|x| - |y|)^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 \
implies&, (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0.
endalign*
It seems like the last line needs an "iff" in order to be powerful in answering this problem, but I only see it going one way. Can someone please explain why it is an "iff" statement instead of just "if"?
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There is a question in my textbook:
Verify that $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ for $z = x + iy$ with $x, y in mathbbR$.
Hint: Boil this down to $(|x|-|y|)^2 geq 0$.
I followed the hint and logically arrived at the fact that if $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ then $(|x|-|y|)^2 geq 0$ is true. However, I couldn't see how it helps me prove the converse to be true:
My work:
Let $z = x+iy$, then
beginalign*
&, sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
iff&, 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
iff&, 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 \
iff&, (|x| - |y|)^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 \
implies&, (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0.
endalign*
It seems like the last line needs an "iff" in order to be powerful in answering this problem, but I only see it going one way. Can someone please explain why it is an "iff" statement instead of just "if"?
complex-analysis inequality complex-numbers
I think the problem here is that you failed to recognize $vert xvert ^2=x^2$, and that you made a careless mistake in the last $iff$ statement: the left hand side is not the same as what you claim it is.
â user496634
Aug 26 at 21:52
Can anyone provide a geometric proof of this fact by interpreting $x$ and $y$ as the side-lengths of a right triangle?
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Aug 26 at 22:21
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There is a question in my textbook:
Verify that $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ for $z = x + iy$ with $x, y in mathbbR$.
Hint: Boil this down to $(|x|-|y|)^2 geq 0$.
I followed the hint and logically arrived at the fact that if $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ then $(|x|-|y|)^2 geq 0$ is true. However, I couldn't see how it helps me prove the converse to be true:
My work:
Let $z = x+iy$, then
beginalign*
&, sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
iff&, 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
iff&, 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 \
iff&, (|x| - |y|)^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 \
implies&, (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0.
endalign*
It seems like the last line needs an "iff" in order to be powerful in answering this problem, but I only see it going one way. Can someone please explain why it is an "iff" statement instead of just "if"?
complex-analysis inequality complex-numbers
There is a question in my textbook:
Verify that $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ for $z = x + iy$ with $x, y in mathbbR$.
Hint: Boil this down to $(|x|-|y|)^2 geq 0$.
I followed the hint and logically arrived at the fact that if $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ then $(|x|-|y|)^2 geq 0$ is true. However, I couldn't see how it helps me prove the converse to be true:
My work:
Let $z = x+iy$, then
beginalign*
&, sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
iff&, 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
iff&, 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 \
iff&, (|x| - |y|)^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 \
implies&, (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0.
endalign*
It seems like the last line needs an "iff" in order to be powerful in answering this problem, but I only see it going one way. Can someone please explain why it is an "iff" statement instead of just "if"?
complex-analysis inequality complex-numbers
edited Aug 26 at 21:29
Jendrik Stelzner
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asked Aug 26 at 21:21
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I think the problem here is that you failed to recognize $vert xvert ^2=x^2$, and that you made a careless mistake in the last $iff$ statement: the left hand side is not the same as what you claim it is.
â user496634
Aug 26 at 21:52
Can anyone provide a geometric proof of this fact by interpreting $x$ and $y$ as the side-lengths of a right triangle?
â user293794
Aug 26 at 22:21
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I think the problem here is that you failed to recognize $vert xvert ^2=x^2$, and that you made a careless mistake in the last $iff$ statement: the left hand side is not the same as what you claim it is.
â user496634
Aug 26 at 21:52
Can anyone provide a geometric proof of this fact by interpreting $x$ and $y$ as the side-lengths of a right triangle?
â user293794
Aug 26 at 22:21
I think the problem here is that you failed to recognize $vert xvert ^2=x^2$, and that you made a careless mistake in the last $iff$ statement: the left hand side is not the same as what you claim it is.
â user496634
Aug 26 at 21:52
I think the problem here is that you failed to recognize $vert xvert ^2=x^2$, and that you made a careless mistake in the last $iff$ statement: the left hand side is not the same as what you claim it is.
â user496634
Aug 26 at 21:52
Can anyone provide a geometric proof of this fact by interpreting $x$ and $y$ as the side-lengths of a right triangle?
â user293794
Aug 26 at 22:21
Can anyone provide a geometric proof of this fact by interpreting $x$ and $y$ as the side-lengths of a right triangle?
â user293794
Aug 26 at 22:21
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$$sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 $$
At this point cancel $x^2+y^2$ from both sides to get
$$iff x^2 + y^2 - 2|x||y| geq 0 $$
$$iff (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0 $$
And you are done.
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We have that
$$sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| iff sqrtfracx^2 + y^22 geq fracx2$$
which is true by RMS-AM inequality.
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accepted
$$sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 $$
At this point cancel $x^2+y^2$ from both sides to get
$$iff x^2 + y^2 - 2|x||y| geq 0 $$
$$iff (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0 $$
And you are done.
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accepted
$$sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 $$
At this point cancel $x^2+y^2$ from both sides to get
$$iff x^2 + y^2 - 2|x||y| geq 0 $$
$$iff (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0 $$
And you are done.
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accepted
up vote
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accepted
$$sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 $$
At this point cancel $x^2+y^2$ from both sides to get
$$iff x^2 + y^2 - 2|x||y| geq 0 $$
$$iff (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0 $$
And you are done.
$$sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 $$
At this point cancel $x^2+y^2$ from both sides to get
$$iff x^2 + y^2 - 2|x||y| geq 0 $$
$$iff (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0 $$
And you are done.
answered Aug 26 at 21:28
Mohammad Riazi-Kermani
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We have that
$$sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| iff sqrtfracx^2 + y^22 geq fracx2$$
which is true by RMS-AM inequality.
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
We have that
$$sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| iff sqrtfracx^2 + y^22 geq fracx2$$
which is true by RMS-AM inequality.
add a comment |Â
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up vote
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We have that
$$sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| iff sqrtfracx^2 + y^22 geq fracx2$$
which is true by RMS-AM inequality.
We have that
$$sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| iff sqrtfracx^2 + y^22 geq fracx2$$
which is true by RMS-AM inequality.
answered Aug 26 at 21:33
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I think the problem here is that you failed to recognize $vert xvert ^2=x^2$, and that you made a careless mistake in the last $iff$ statement: the left hand side is not the same as what you claim it is.
â user496634
Aug 26 at 21:52
Can anyone provide a geometric proof of this fact by interpreting $x$ and $y$ as the side-lengths of a right triangle?
â user293794
Aug 26 at 22:21