Proving that $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ for $z = x + iy$

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There is a question in my textbook:




Verify that $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ for $z = x + iy$ with $x, y in mathbbR$.



Hint: Boil this down to $(|x|-|y|)^2 geq 0$.




I followed the hint and logically arrived at the fact that if $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ then $(|x|-|y|)^2 geq 0$ is true. However, I couldn't see how it helps me prove the converse to be true:



My work:



Let $z = x+iy$, then
beginalign*
&, sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
iff&, 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
iff&, 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 \
iff&, (|x| - |y|)^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 \
implies&, (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0.
endalign*



It seems like the last line needs an "iff" in order to be powerful in answering this problem, but I only see it going one way. Can someone please explain why it is an "iff" statement instead of just "if"?







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  • I think the problem here is that you failed to recognize $vert xvert ^2=x^2$, and that you made a careless mistake in the last $iff$ statement: the left hand side is not the same as what you claim it is.
    – user496634
    Aug 26 at 21:52










  • Can anyone provide a geometric proof of this fact by interpreting $x$ and $y$ as the side-lengths of a right triangle?
    – user293794
    Aug 26 at 22:21














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There is a question in my textbook:




Verify that $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ for $z = x + iy$ with $x, y in mathbbR$.



Hint: Boil this down to $(|x|-|y|)^2 geq 0$.




I followed the hint and logically arrived at the fact that if $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ then $(|x|-|y|)^2 geq 0$ is true. However, I couldn't see how it helps me prove the converse to be true:



My work:



Let $z = x+iy$, then
beginalign*
&, sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
iff&, 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
iff&, 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 \
iff&, (|x| - |y|)^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 \
implies&, (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0.
endalign*



It seems like the last line needs an "iff" in order to be powerful in answering this problem, but I only see it going one way. Can someone please explain why it is an "iff" statement instead of just "if"?







share|cite|improve this question






















  • I think the problem here is that you failed to recognize $vert xvert ^2=x^2$, and that you made a careless mistake in the last $iff$ statement: the left hand side is not the same as what you claim it is.
    – user496634
    Aug 26 at 21:52










  • Can anyone provide a geometric proof of this fact by interpreting $x$ and $y$ as the side-lengths of a right triangle?
    – user293794
    Aug 26 at 22:21












up vote
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up vote
1
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favorite











There is a question in my textbook:




Verify that $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ for $z = x + iy$ with $x, y in mathbbR$.



Hint: Boil this down to $(|x|-|y|)^2 geq 0$.




I followed the hint and logically arrived at the fact that if $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ then $(|x|-|y|)^2 geq 0$ is true. However, I couldn't see how it helps me prove the converse to be true:



My work:



Let $z = x+iy$, then
beginalign*
&, sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
iff&, 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
iff&, 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 \
iff&, (|x| - |y|)^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 \
implies&, (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0.
endalign*



It seems like the last line needs an "iff" in order to be powerful in answering this problem, but I only see it going one way. Can someone please explain why it is an "iff" statement instead of just "if"?







share|cite|improve this question














There is a question in my textbook:




Verify that $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ for $z = x + iy$ with $x, y in mathbbR$.



Hint: Boil this down to $(|x|-|y|)^2 geq 0$.




I followed the hint and logically arrived at the fact that if $sqrt2 |z| geq |x| + |y|$ then $(|x|-|y|)^2 geq 0$ is true. However, I couldn't see how it helps me prove the converse to be true:



My work:



Let $z = x+iy$, then
beginalign*
&, sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
iff&, 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
iff&, 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 \
iff&, (|x| - |y|)^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 \
implies&, (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0.
endalign*



It seems like the last line needs an "iff" in order to be powerful in answering this problem, but I only see it going one way. Can someone please explain why it is an "iff" statement instead of just "if"?









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  • I think the problem here is that you failed to recognize $vert xvert ^2=x^2$, and that you made a careless mistake in the last $iff$ statement: the left hand side is not the same as what you claim it is.
    – user496634
    Aug 26 at 21:52










  • Can anyone provide a geometric proof of this fact by interpreting $x$ and $y$ as the side-lengths of a right triangle?
    – user293794
    Aug 26 at 22:21
















  • I think the problem here is that you failed to recognize $vert xvert ^2=x^2$, and that you made a careless mistake in the last $iff$ statement: the left hand side is not the same as what you claim it is.
    – user496634
    Aug 26 at 21:52










  • Can anyone provide a geometric proof of this fact by interpreting $x$ and $y$ as the side-lengths of a right triangle?
    – user293794
    Aug 26 at 22:21















I think the problem here is that you failed to recognize $vert xvert ^2=x^2$, and that you made a careless mistake in the last $iff$ statement: the left hand side is not the same as what you claim it is.
– user496634
Aug 26 at 21:52




I think the problem here is that you failed to recognize $vert xvert ^2=x^2$, and that you made a careless mistake in the last $iff$ statement: the left hand side is not the same as what you claim it is.
– user496634
Aug 26 at 21:52












Can anyone provide a geometric proof of this fact by interpreting $x$ and $y$ as the side-lengths of a right triangle?
– user293794
Aug 26 at 22:21




Can anyone provide a geometric proof of this fact by interpreting $x$ and $y$ as the side-lengths of a right triangle?
– user293794
Aug 26 at 22:21










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$$sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 $$



At this point cancel $x^2+y^2$ from both sides to get



$$iff x^2 + y^2 - 2|x||y| geq 0 $$



$$iff (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0 $$



And you are done.






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    We have that



    $$sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| iff sqrtfracx^2 + y^22 geq fracx2$$



    which is true by RMS-AM inequality.






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      $$sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
      iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
      iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 $$



      At this point cancel $x^2+y^2$ from both sides to get



      $$iff x^2 + y^2 - 2|x||y| geq 0 $$



      $$iff (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0 $$



      And you are done.






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        $$sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
        iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
        iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 $$



        At this point cancel $x^2+y^2$ from both sides to get



        $$iff x^2 + y^2 - 2|x||y| geq 0 $$



        $$iff (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0 $$



        And you are done.






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          up vote
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          accepted






          $$sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
          iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
          iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 $$



          At this point cancel $x^2+y^2$ from both sides to get



          $$iff x^2 + y^2 - 2|x||y| geq 0 $$



          $$iff (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0 $$



          And you are done.






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          $$sqrt2|z| = sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| \
          iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 +2|x||y| \
          iff 2x^2 + 2y^2 - 2|x||y| geq |x|^2 + |y|^2 $$



          At this point cancel $x^2+y^2$ from both sides to get



          $$iff x^2 + y^2 - 2|x||y| geq 0 $$



          $$iff (|x| - |y|)^2 geq 0 $$



          And you are done.







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          answered Aug 26 at 21:28









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              We have that



              $$sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| iff sqrtfracx^2 + y^22 geq fracx2$$



              which is true by RMS-AM inequality.






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                up vote
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                We have that



                $$sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| iff sqrtfracx^2 + y^22 geq fracx2$$



                which is true by RMS-AM inequality.






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                  We have that



                  $$sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| iff sqrtfracx^2 + y^22 geq fracx2$$



                  which is true by RMS-AM inequality.






                  share|cite|improve this answer












                  We have that



                  $$sqrt2sqrtx^2 + y^2 geq |x| + |y| iff sqrtfracx^2 + y^22 geq fracx2$$



                  which is true by RMS-AM inequality.







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                  answered Aug 26 at 21:33









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