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I have some trouble with the following questions:
$mathbbR^3$ has standard coördinates $(x, y, z)$. Regard in the plane $x=0$ the circle with centre $(x,y,z) = (0,0,b)$ and radius $a$, $0<a<b$. The area that arise when you turn the circle around the y-axis is called T.
1A. Give the equation of T and prove that it's a manifold of dimension 2.
I thought the following:
$$T= int_C pi (f(y))^2 dy $$ where C is the circle described above and $f(y)= sqrt(a-y^2+2zb-b^2)$ But now I don't know how to continue, cause I don't really have any boundaries.
B. Regard now $mathbbS^1 subseteq mathbbR^2$. Write for the standard 2-Torus $mathbbT^2= mathbbS^1 times mathbbS^1$, then $mathbbT^2 subseteq mathbbR^4$ is a two dimensional manifold. Prove that $mathbbT^2$ and $T$ are diffeomorph.
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I have some trouble with the following questions:
$mathbbR^3$ has standard coördinates $(x, y, z)$. Regard in the plane $x=0$ the circle with centre $(x,y,z) = (0,0,b)$ and radius $a$, $0<a<b$. The area that arise when you turn the circle around the y-axis is called T.
1A. Give the equation of T and prove that it's a manifold of dimension 2.
I thought the following:
$$T= int_C pi (f(y))^2 dy $$ where C is the circle described above and $f(y)= sqrt(a-y^2+2zb-b^2)$ But now I don't know how to continue, cause I don't really have any boundaries.
B. Regard now $mathbbS^1 subseteq mathbbR^2$. Write for the standard 2-Torus $mathbbT^2= mathbbS^1 times mathbbS^1$, then $mathbbT^2 subseteq mathbbR^4$ is a two dimensional manifold. Prove that $mathbbT^2$ and $T$ are diffeomorph.
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$T$ is a subset of $mathbbR^3$, why would it be equal to an integral?
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Aug 2 at 12:51
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I have some trouble with the following questions:
$mathbbR^3$ has standard coördinates $(x, y, z)$. Regard in the plane $x=0$ the circle with centre $(x,y,z) = (0,0,b)$ and radius $a$, $0<a<b$. The area that arise when you turn the circle around the y-axis is called T.
1A. Give the equation of T and prove that it's a manifold of dimension 2.
I thought the following:
$$T= int_C pi (f(y))^2 dy $$ where C is the circle described above and $f(y)= sqrt(a-y^2+2zb-b^2)$ But now I don't know how to continue, cause I don't really have any boundaries.
B. Regard now $mathbbS^1 subseteq mathbbR^2$. Write for the standard 2-Torus $mathbbT^2= mathbbS^1 times mathbbS^1$, then $mathbbT^2 subseteq mathbbR^4$ is a two dimensional manifold. Prove that $mathbbT^2$ and $T$ are diffeomorph.
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I have some trouble with the following questions:
$mathbbR^3$ has standard coördinates $(x, y, z)$. Regard in the plane $x=0$ the circle with centre $(x,y,z) = (0,0,b)$ and radius $a$, $0<a<b$. The area that arise when you turn the circle around the y-axis is called T.
1A. Give the equation of T and prove that it's a manifold of dimension 2.
I thought the following:
$$T= int_C pi (f(y))^2 dy $$ where C is the circle described above and $f(y)= sqrt(a-y^2+2zb-b^2)$ But now I don't know how to continue, cause I don't really have any boundaries.
B. Regard now $mathbbS^1 subseteq mathbbR^2$. Write for the standard 2-Torus $mathbbT^2= mathbbS^1 times mathbbS^1$, then $mathbbT^2 subseteq mathbbR^4$ is a two dimensional manifold. Prove that $mathbbT^2$ and $T$ are diffeomorph.
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$T$ is a subset of $mathbbR^3$, why would it be equal to an integral?
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$T$ is a subset of $mathbbR^3$, why would it be equal to an integral?
– Najib Idrissi
Aug 2 at 12:51
$T$ is a subset of $mathbbR^3$, why would it be equal to an integral?
– Najib Idrissi
Aug 2 at 12:51
$T$ is a subset of $mathbbR^3$, why would it be equal to an integral?
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a)
Try $T=lbrace (sqrty^2+z^2 - b)^2 + z^2 = a, (x,y,z) in mathbbR^3 rbrace$, i think it gives you the required parametrization of your torus, embedded in the 3 dimensional euclidian space.
It's a 2 manifold because it's the zeros of the submersion
$f:mathbbR^3 to mathbbR, (x,y,z) mapsto (sqrty^2+z^2 - b)^2 + z^2 - a$
(you can check it easily).
b) For showing it's diffeomorphic to the product of two circles, you need to give first a two dimensional parametrization of T:
$phi : mathbbR^2 to mathbbR^3, (theta, psi) mapsto left(
matrix
cos 2pi theta&0&-sin 2pi theta \
0&1&0 \
sin 2pi theta&0&cos 2pi theta
right)left(
matrix
0 \
sqrta cos 2pipsi \
b+sqrta sin 2pi psi
right) $
Note that the vectr of the right defines just your circle C, when the matrix gives you the rotation around the y axis.
Then you have to show that
_this map is smooth
_it's $mathbbZ^2$ periodic, so induces a map $(mathbbR/Z)^2 to mathbbR^3$
_this new map is the diffeomorphism you need!!
Thank you for your reply! I still don't get both questions but I will first concentrate on A now. How did you get that formula for T? I know that a formula for a Torus is: $$ (c - sqrt(x^2 - y^2))^2 + z^2 = a^2$$ where $c$ is the the radius from the center of the hole to the center of the torus tube and $a$ is the radius of the tube. So in this case: $a=a$ and $c=b$, but you do not have $a^2$ on the right hand side. Also, do you think I have to derive the formula for a Torus in this question, or is something I should have known?
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 9:40
And for B how can I see that te first matrix gives rotation around the y-axis?
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 15:02
By the way in the torus I meant $x^2 + y^2$. Further I want to know why I have to prove that it's periodic? Because for a diffeomorphism it must be smooth, a bijection and it's inverse must be differentiable as wel
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 21:07
Sorry, it's an $a^2$, as well... So it's exactly what you write, right? For understand this formula, i think you have to draw it!
– Léo
Feb 19 '14 at 15:51
First, when $z=+-a$, you find your circle (the meridian), and when $z$ moves, you have to make the other circle (the longitude).
– Léo
Feb 19 '14 at 15:53
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a)
Try $T=lbrace (sqrty^2+z^2 - b)^2 + z^2 = a, (x,y,z) in mathbbR^3 rbrace$, i think it gives you the required parametrization of your torus, embedded in the 3 dimensional euclidian space.
It's a 2 manifold because it's the zeros of the submersion
$f:mathbbR^3 to mathbbR, (x,y,z) mapsto (sqrty^2+z^2 - b)^2 + z^2 - a$
(you can check it easily).
b) For showing it's diffeomorphic to the product of two circles, you need to give first a two dimensional parametrization of T:
$phi : mathbbR^2 to mathbbR^3, (theta, psi) mapsto left(
matrix
cos 2pi theta&0&-sin 2pi theta \
0&1&0 \
sin 2pi theta&0&cos 2pi theta
right)left(
matrix
0 \
sqrta cos 2pipsi \
b+sqrta sin 2pi psi
right) $
Note that the vectr of the right defines just your circle C, when the matrix gives you the rotation around the y axis.
Then you have to show that
_this map is smooth
_it's $mathbbZ^2$ periodic, so induces a map $(mathbbR/Z)^2 to mathbbR^3$
_this new map is the diffeomorphism you need!!
Thank you for your reply! I still don't get both questions but I will first concentrate on A now. How did you get that formula for T? I know that a formula for a Torus is: $$ (c - sqrt(x^2 - y^2))^2 + z^2 = a^2$$ where $c$ is the the radius from the center of the hole to the center of the torus tube and $a$ is the radius of the tube. So in this case: $a=a$ and $c=b$, but you do not have $a^2$ on the right hand side. Also, do you think I have to derive the formula for a Torus in this question, or is something I should have known?
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 9:40
And for B how can I see that te first matrix gives rotation around the y-axis?
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 15:02
By the way in the torus I meant $x^2 + y^2$. Further I want to know why I have to prove that it's periodic? Because for a diffeomorphism it must be smooth, a bijection and it's inverse must be differentiable as wel
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 21:07
Sorry, it's an $a^2$, as well... So it's exactly what you write, right? For understand this formula, i think you have to draw it!
– Léo
Feb 19 '14 at 15:51
First, when $z=+-a$, you find your circle (the meridian), and when $z$ moves, you have to make the other circle (the longitude).
– Léo
Feb 19 '14 at 15:53
 |Â
show 7 more comments
up vote
0
down vote
a)
Try $T=lbrace (sqrty^2+z^2 - b)^2 + z^2 = a, (x,y,z) in mathbbR^3 rbrace$, i think it gives you the required parametrization of your torus, embedded in the 3 dimensional euclidian space.
It's a 2 manifold because it's the zeros of the submersion
$f:mathbbR^3 to mathbbR, (x,y,z) mapsto (sqrty^2+z^2 - b)^2 + z^2 - a$
(you can check it easily).
b) For showing it's diffeomorphic to the product of two circles, you need to give first a two dimensional parametrization of T:
$phi : mathbbR^2 to mathbbR^3, (theta, psi) mapsto left(
matrix
cos 2pi theta&0&-sin 2pi theta \
0&1&0 \
sin 2pi theta&0&cos 2pi theta
right)left(
matrix
0 \
sqrta cos 2pipsi \
b+sqrta sin 2pi psi
right) $
Note that the vectr of the right defines just your circle C, when the matrix gives you the rotation around the y axis.
Then you have to show that
_this map is smooth
_it's $mathbbZ^2$ periodic, so induces a map $(mathbbR/Z)^2 to mathbbR^3$
_this new map is the diffeomorphism you need!!
Thank you for your reply! I still don't get both questions but I will first concentrate on A now. How did you get that formula for T? I know that a formula for a Torus is: $$ (c - sqrt(x^2 - y^2))^2 + z^2 = a^2$$ where $c$ is the the radius from the center of the hole to the center of the torus tube and $a$ is the radius of the tube. So in this case: $a=a$ and $c=b$, but you do not have $a^2$ on the right hand side. Also, do you think I have to derive the formula for a Torus in this question, or is something I should have known?
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 9:40
And for B how can I see that te first matrix gives rotation around the y-axis?
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 15:02
By the way in the torus I meant $x^2 + y^2$. Further I want to know why I have to prove that it's periodic? Because for a diffeomorphism it must be smooth, a bijection and it's inverse must be differentiable as wel
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 21:07
Sorry, it's an $a^2$, as well... So it's exactly what you write, right? For understand this formula, i think you have to draw it!
– Léo
Feb 19 '14 at 15:51
First, when $z=+-a$, you find your circle (the meridian), and when $z$ moves, you have to make the other circle (the longitude).
– Léo
Feb 19 '14 at 15:53
 |Â
show 7 more comments
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0
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up vote
0
down vote
a)
Try $T=lbrace (sqrty^2+z^2 - b)^2 + z^2 = a, (x,y,z) in mathbbR^3 rbrace$, i think it gives you the required parametrization of your torus, embedded in the 3 dimensional euclidian space.
It's a 2 manifold because it's the zeros of the submersion
$f:mathbbR^3 to mathbbR, (x,y,z) mapsto (sqrty^2+z^2 - b)^2 + z^2 - a$
(you can check it easily).
b) For showing it's diffeomorphic to the product of two circles, you need to give first a two dimensional parametrization of T:
$phi : mathbbR^2 to mathbbR^3, (theta, psi) mapsto left(
matrix
cos 2pi theta&0&-sin 2pi theta \
0&1&0 \
sin 2pi theta&0&cos 2pi theta
right)left(
matrix
0 \
sqrta cos 2pipsi \
b+sqrta sin 2pi psi
right) $
Note that the vectr of the right defines just your circle C, when the matrix gives you the rotation around the y axis.
Then you have to show that
_this map is smooth
_it's $mathbbZ^2$ periodic, so induces a map $(mathbbR/Z)^2 to mathbbR^3$
_this new map is the diffeomorphism you need!!
a)
Try $T=lbrace (sqrty^2+z^2 - b)^2 + z^2 = a, (x,y,z) in mathbbR^3 rbrace$, i think it gives you the required parametrization of your torus, embedded in the 3 dimensional euclidian space.
It's a 2 manifold because it's the zeros of the submersion
$f:mathbbR^3 to mathbbR, (x,y,z) mapsto (sqrty^2+z^2 - b)^2 + z^2 - a$
(you can check it easily).
b) For showing it's diffeomorphic to the product of two circles, you need to give first a two dimensional parametrization of T:
$phi : mathbbR^2 to mathbbR^3, (theta, psi) mapsto left(
matrix
cos 2pi theta&0&-sin 2pi theta \
0&1&0 \
sin 2pi theta&0&cos 2pi theta
right)left(
matrix
0 \
sqrta cos 2pipsi \
b+sqrta sin 2pi psi
right) $
Note that the vectr of the right defines just your circle C, when the matrix gives you the rotation around the y axis.
Then you have to show that
_this map is smooth
_it's $mathbbZ^2$ periodic, so induces a map $(mathbbR/Z)^2 to mathbbR^3$
_this new map is the diffeomorphism you need!!
answered Feb 17 '14 at 20:34
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Thank you for your reply! I still don't get both questions but I will first concentrate on A now. How did you get that formula for T? I know that a formula for a Torus is: $$ (c - sqrt(x^2 - y^2))^2 + z^2 = a^2$$ where $c$ is the the radius from the center of the hole to the center of the torus tube and $a$ is the radius of the tube. So in this case: $a=a$ and $c=b$, but you do not have $a^2$ on the right hand side. Also, do you think I have to derive the formula for a Torus in this question, or is something I should have known?
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 9:40
And for B how can I see that te first matrix gives rotation around the y-axis?
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 15:02
By the way in the torus I meant $x^2 + y^2$. Further I want to know why I have to prove that it's periodic? Because for a diffeomorphism it must be smooth, a bijection and it's inverse must be differentiable as wel
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 21:07
Sorry, it's an $a^2$, as well... So it's exactly what you write, right? For understand this formula, i think you have to draw it!
– Léo
Feb 19 '14 at 15:51
First, when $z=+-a$, you find your circle (the meridian), and when $z$ moves, you have to make the other circle (the longitude).
– Léo
Feb 19 '14 at 15:53
 |Â
show 7 more comments
Thank you for your reply! I still don't get both questions but I will first concentrate on A now. How did you get that formula for T? I know that a formula for a Torus is: $$ (c - sqrt(x^2 - y^2))^2 + z^2 = a^2$$ where $c$ is the the radius from the center of the hole to the center of the torus tube and $a$ is the radius of the tube. So in this case: $a=a$ and $c=b$, but you do not have $a^2$ on the right hand side. Also, do you think I have to derive the formula for a Torus in this question, or is something I should have known?
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 9:40
And for B how can I see that te first matrix gives rotation around the y-axis?
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 15:02
By the way in the torus I meant $x^2 + y^2$. Further I want to know why I have to prove that it's periodic? Because for a diffeomorphism it must be smooth, a bijection and it's inverse must be differentiable as wel
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 21:07
Sorry, it's an $a^2$, as well... So it's exactly what you write, right? For understand this formula, i think you have to draw it!
– Léo
Feb 19 '14 at 15:51
First, when $z=+-a$, you find your circle (the meridian), and when $z$ moves, you have to make the other circle (the longitude).
– Léo
Feb 19 '14 at 15:53
Thank you for your reply! I still don't get both questions but I will first concentrate on A now. How did you get that formula for T? I know that a formula for a Torus is: $$ (c - sqrt(x^2 - y^2))^2 + z^2 = a^2$$ where $c$ is the the radius from the center of the hole to the center of the torus tube and $a$ is the radius of the tube. So in this case: $a=a$ and $c=b$, but you do not have $a^2$ on the right hand side. Also, do you think I have to derive the formula for a Torus in this question, or is something I should have known?
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 9:40
Thank you for your reply! I still don't get both questions but I will first concentrate on A now. How did you get that formula for T? I know that a formula for a Torus is: $$ (c - sqrt(x^2 - y^2))^2 + z^2 = a^2$$ where $c$ is the the radius from the center of the hole to the center of the torus tube and $a$ is the radius of the tube. So in this case: $a=a$ and $c=b$, but you do not have $a^2$ on the right hand side. Also, do you think I have to derive the formula for a Torus in this question, or is something I should have known?
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 9:40
And for B how can I see that te first matrix gives rotation around the y-axis?
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 15:02
And for B how can I see that te first matrix gives rotation around the y-axis?
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 15:02
By the way in the torus I meant $x^2 + y^2$. Further I want to know why I have to prove that it's periodic? Because for a diffeomorphism it must be smooth, a bijection and it's inverse must be differentiable as wel
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 21:07
By the way in the torus I meant $x^2 + y^2$. Further I want to know why I have to prove that it's periodic? Because for a diffeomorphism it must be smooth, a bijection and it's inverse must be differentiable as wel
– Leslie
Feb 18 '14 at 21:07
Sorry, it's an $a^2$, as well... So it's exactly what you write, right? For understand this formula, i think you have to draw it!
– Léo
Feb 19 '14 at 15:51
Sorry, it's an $a^2$, as well... So it's exactly what you write, right? For understand this formula, i think you have to draw it!
– Léo
Feb 19 '14 at 15:51
First, when $z=+-a$, you find your circle (the meridian), and when $z$ moves, you have to make the other circle (the longitude).
– Léo
Feb 19 '14 at 15:53
First, when $z=+-a$, you find your circle (the meridian), and when $z$ moves, you have to make the other circle (the longitude).
– Léo
Feb 19 '14 at 15:53
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$T$ is a subset of $mathbbR^3$, why would it be equal to an integral?
– Najib Idrissi
Aug 2 at 12:51