Behavior of arccos(x) near x=-1

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Actual problem is



"Is $theta=pi$ valid for polar coordinate representation of parabola"



Where it's equatioin is $theta(r)=arccos(fracar-1)$ a is some positive constant



My friend says if $ r to infty$ then it will yield $theta (r=infty)=pi$



but i don't think so(also, for i've seen several references of parabola omitting r goes infinity or $theta=(2n-1)pi$ or $2npi$
where n is integer)



Thus I want to see arccosine's behavior around -1 so that i'll show that



$limlimits_r to infty frac1r$ is not small enough to make $limlimits_r to inftyarccos(fracar -1)=pi$



I've thought about taylor expanding arccos(x) around x=-1



and i have found



arccos(-1+x)=$pi -frac1sqrt 1-z^2x -fracz(1-z^2)^3/2fracx^22$.......
where z=-1 x:positive and very small



it seems that every coefficients explode for z=-1 and i see that even every derivatives of coefficients explode when z=-1



so i think every coefficients are far greatly bigger term even multiplied with very small x which $lim x to 0$



Therefore I think inverse cosine is too sensitive to make $limlimits_r to inftyarccos(fracar-1)=pi$(or should i say sum doesn't converge however x is small in polynomial sense?)



I'm bit into math, and know little bit of analysis but i haven't studied analysis deeply



  1. is $theta=pi$ valid for parabola (or $2npi$ but i'm sure you know what i mean) r=$fraca1+costheta$ <--primary question


  2. want to know $limlimits_r to inftyarccos(fracar-1)=pi$ even if arccosine is super sensitive or whatever










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    Actual problem is



    "Is $theta=pi$ valid for polar coordinate representation of parabola"



    Where it's equatioin is $theta(r)=arccos(fracar-1)$ a is some positive constant



    My friend says if $ r to infty$ then it will yield $theta (r=infty)=pi$



    but i don't think so(also, for i've seen several references of parabola omitting r goes infinity or $theta=(2n-1)pi$ or $2npi$
    where n is integer)



    Thus I want to see arccosine's behavior around -1 so that i'll show that



    $limlimits_r to infty frac1r$ is not small enough to make $limlimits_r to inftyarccos(fracar -1)=pi$



    I've thought about taylor expanding arccos(x) around x=-1



    and i have found



    arccos(-1+x)=$pi -frac1sqrt 1-z^2x -fracz(1-z^2)^3/2fracx^22$.......
    where z=-1 x:positive and very small



    it seems that every coefficients explode for z=-1 and i see that even every derivatives of coefficients explode when z=-1



    so i think every coefficients are far greatly bigger term even multiplied with very small x which $lim x to 0$



    Therefore I think inverse cosine is too sensitive to make $limlimits_r to inftyarccos(fracar-1)=pi$(or should i say sum doesn't converge however x is small in polynomial sense?)



    I'm bit into math, and know little bit of analysis but i haven't studied analysis deeply



    1. is $theta=pi$ valid for parabola (or $2npi$ but i'm sure you know what i mean) r=$fraca1+costheta$ <--primary question


    2. want to know $limlimits_r to inftyarccos(fracar-1)=pi$ even if arccosine is super sensitive or whatever










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      Actual problem is



      "Is $theta=pi$ valid for polar coordinate representation of parabola"



      Where it's equatioin is $theta(r)=arccos(fracar-1)$ a is some positive constant



      My friend says if $ r to infty$ then it will yield $theta (r=infty)=pi$



      but i don't think so(also, for i've seen several references of parabola omitting r goes infinity or $theta=(2n-1)pi$ or $2npi$
      where n is integer)



      Thus I want to see arccosine's behavior around -1 so that i'll show that



      $limlimits_r to infty frac1r$ is not small enough to make $limlimits_r to inftyarccos(fracar -1)=pi$



      I've thought about taylor expanding arccos(x) around x=-1



      and i have found



      arccos(-1+x)=$pi -frac1sqrt 1-z^2x -fracz(1-z^2)^3/2fracx^22$.......
      where z=-1 x:positive and very small



      it seems that every coefficients explode for z=-1 and i see that even every derivatives of coefficients explode when z=-1



      so i think every coefficients are far greatly bigger term even multiplied with very small x which $lim x to 0$



      Therefore I think inverse cosine is too sensitive to make $limlimits_r to inftyarccos(fracar-1)=pi$(or should i say sum doesn't converge however x is small in polynomial sense?)



      I'm bit into math, and know little bit of analysis but i haven't studied analysis deeply



      1. is $theta=pi$ valid for parabola (or $2npi$ but i'm sure you know what i mean) r=$fraca1+costheta$ <--primary question


      2. want to know $limlimits_r to inftyarccos(fracar-1)=pi$ even if arccosine is super sensitive or whatever










      share|cite|improve this question















      Actual problem is



      "Is $theta=pi$ valid for polar coordinate representation of parabola"



      Where it's equatioin is $theta(r)=arccos(fracar-1)$ a is some positive constant



      My friend says if $ r to infty$ then it will yield $theta (r=infty)=pi$



      but i don't think so(also, for i've seen several references of parabola omitting r goes infinity or $theta=(2n-1)pi$ or $2npi$
      where n is integer)



      Thus I want to see arccosine's behavior around -1 so that i'll show that



      $limlimits_r to infty frac1r$ is not small enough to make $limlimits_r to inftyarccos(fracar -1)=pi$



      I've thought about taylor expanding arccos(x) around x=-1



      and i have found



      arccos(-1+x)=$pi -frac1sqrt 1-z^2x -fracz(1-z^2)^3/2fracx^22$.......
      where z=-1 x:positive and very small



      it seems that every coefficients explode for z=-1 and i see that even every derivatives of coefficients explode when z=-1



      so i think every coefficients are far greatly bigger term even multiplied with very small x which $lim x to 0$



      Therefore I think inverse cosine is too sensitive to make $limlimits_r to inftyarccos(fracar-1)=pi$(or should i say sum doesn't converge however x is small in polynomial sense?)



      I'm bit into math, and know little bit of analysis but i haven't studied analysis deeply



      1. is $theta=pi$ valid for parabola (or $2npi$ but i'm sure you know what i mean) r=$fraca1+costheta$ <--primary question


      2. want to know $limlimits_r to inftyarccos(fracar-1)=pi$ even if arccosine is super sensitive or whatever







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          The polar equation



          $$r(costheta +1)=a$$ indeed represents parabolas, and close to $theta =pi$, you can write



          $$a=r(cos(pi+delta) +1)=r(-cosdelta+1)approx fracrdelta^22.$$



          When $r$ tends to infinity, $delta$ to zero and $theta$ to $pi$ (as fast as $r^-1/2$). There is no mystery here.




          Q1. $theta=pi$ is of course not allowed, as $rcdot0=a$ has no solution.



          Q2. By continuity of the arc cosine,



          $$lim_rtoinftyarccosleft(frac ar-1right)=arccosleft(lim_rtoinftyfrac ar-1right)=pi.$$



          Note that the Taylor expansion of the arc cosine around $-1$ does not exist.






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            Yes the limit will go to pi. It's not about sensitivity. In fact a function does not even have to be defined at the limit. The definition is for all epsilom > 0 there exists a finite r that gives an angle in pi +/- epsilom






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              The polar equation



              $$r(costheta +1)=a$$ indeed represents parabolas, and close to $theta =pi$, you can write



              $$a=r(cos(pi+delta) +1)=r(-cosdelta+1)approx fracrdelta^22.$$



              When $r$ tends to infinity, $delta$ to zero and $theta$ to $pi$ (as fast as $r^-1/2$). There is no mystery here.




              Q1. $theta=pi$ is of course not allowed, as $rcdot0=a$ has no solution.



              Q2. By continuity of the arc cosine,



              $$lim_rtoinftyarccosleft(frac ar-1right)=arccosleft(lim_rtoinftyfrac ar-1right)=pi.$$



              Note that the Taylor expansion of the arc cosine around $-1$ does not exist.






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                The polar equation



                $$r(costheta +1)=a$$ indeed represents parabolas, and close to $theta =pi$, you can write



                $$a=r(cos(pi+delta) +1)=r(-cosdelta+1)approx fracrdelta^22.$$



                When $r$ tends to infinity, $delta$ to zero and $theta$ to $pi$ (as fast as $r^-1/2$). There is no mystery here.




                Q1. $theta=pi$ is of course not allowed, as $rcdot0=a$ has no solution.



                Q2. By continuity of the arc cosine,



                $$lim_rtoinftyarccosleft(frac ar-1right)=arccosleft(lim_rtoinftyfrac ar-1right)=pi.$$



                Note that the Taylor expansion of the arc cosine around $-1$ does not exist.






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                  The polar equation



                  $$r(costheta +1)=a$$ indeed represents parabolas, and close to $theta =pi$, you can write



                  $$a=r(cos(pi+delta) +1)=r(-cosdelta+1)approx fracrdelta^22.$$



                  When $r$ tends to infinity, $delta$ to zero and $theta$ to $pi$ (as fast as $r^-1/2$). There is no mystery here.




                  Q1. $theta=pi$ is of course not allowed, as $rcdot0=a$ has no solution.



                  Q2. By continuity of the arc cosine,



                  $$lim_rtoinftyarccosleft(frac ar-1right)=arccosleft(lim_rtoinftyfrac ar-1right)=pi.$$



                  Note that the Taylor expansion of the arc cosine around $-1$ does not exist.






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                  The polar equation



                  $$r(costheta +1)=a$$ indeed represents parabolas, and close to $theta =pi$, you can write



                  $$a=r(cos(pi+delta) +1)=r(-cosdelta+1)approx fracrdelta^22.$$



                  When $r$ tends to infinity, $delta$ to zero and $theta$ to $pi$ (as fast as $r^-1/2$). There is no mystery here.




                  Q1. $theta=pi$ is of course not allowed, as $rcdot0=a$ has no solution.



                  Q2. By continuity of the arc cosine,



                  $$lim_rtoinftyarccosleft(frac ar-1right)=arccosleft(lim_rtoinftyfrac ar-1right)=pi.$$



                  Note that the Taylor expansion of the arc cosine around $-1$ does not exist.







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                      Yes the limit will go to pi. It's not about sensitivity. In fact a function does not even have to be defined at the limit. The definition is for all epsilom > 0 there exists a finite r that gives an angle in pi +/- epsilom






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                        Yes the limit will go to pi. It's not about sensitivity. In fact a function does not even have to be defined at the limit. The definition is for all epsilom > 0 there exists a finite r that gives an angle in pi +/- epsilom






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                          Yes the limit will go to pi. It's not about sensitivity. In fact a function does not even have to be defined at the limit. The definition is for all epsilom > 0 there exists a finite r that gives an angle in pi +/- epsilom






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                          Yes the limit will go to pi. It's not about sensitivity. In fact a function does not even have to be defined at the limit. The definition is for all epsilom > 0 there exists a finite r that gives an angle in pi +/- epsilom







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