Show that subset $T = (x,y) mid x neq 0, -3<y<3$ is open

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I let $X=(x_1, y_1)$ be a point in $T$, let $B(r,X)$ be the ball of radius $r$ centered at $X$, and let $Y = (x_2,y_2)$ be a point in $B(r,X)$.
So i want to show that $Y$ is in $T$, in other words that $x_2$ not equal to $0$ and that $-3<y_2<3$.
I started with $sqrt(y_2-y_1)^2 + (x_2-x_1)^2 < r$
...
$|y_2 - y_1| < r$ and $|x_2 - x_1| < r$
...
$y_1-r < y_2 < y_1+r$ and $x_1-r < x2 < x_1+r$
so I set $y_1 - r = -3$ and $y_1 + r = 3$
which led me assuming $r$ must be equal to the $min(y_1 + 3, 3 - y_1)$
My questions are the following:
How do I use this to show that $Y$ is in $T$ ?
What do I do with the fact that $X$ cannot equal $0$?
Is my reasoning correct?
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I let $X=(x_1, y_1)$ be a point in $T$, let $B(r,X)$ be the ball of radius $r$ centered at $X$, and let $Y = (x_2,y_2)$ be a point in $B(r,X)$.
So i want to show that $Y$ is in $T$, in other words that $x_2$ not equal to $0$ and that $-3<y_2<3$.
I started with $sqrt(y_2-y_1)^2 + (x_2-x_1)^2 < r$
...
$|y_2 - y_1| < r$ and $|x_2 - x_1| < r$
...
$y_1-r < y_2 < y_1+r$ and $x_1-r < x2 < x_1+r$
so I set $y_1 - r = -3$ and $y_1 + r = 3$
which led me assuming $r$ must be equal to the $min(y_1 + 3, 3 - y_1)$
My questions are the following:
How do I use this to show that $Y$ is in $T$ ?
What do I do with the fact that $X$ cannot equal $0$?
Is my reasoning correct?
analysis
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I let $X=(x_1, y_1)$ be a point in $T$, let $B(r,X)$ be the ball of radius $r$ centered at $X$, and let $Y = (x_2,y_2)$ be a point in $B(r,X)$.
So i want to show that $Y$ is in $T$, in other words that $x_2$ not equal to $0$ and that $-3<y_2<3$.
I started with $sqrt(y_2-y_1)^2 + (x_2-x_1)^2 < r$
...
$|y_2 - y_1| < r$ and $|x_2 - x_1| < r$
...
$y_1-r < y_2 < y_1+r$ and $x_1-r < x2 < x_1+r$
so I set $y_1 - r = -3$ and $y_1 + r = 3$
which led me assuming $r$ must be equal to the $min(y_1 + 3, 3 - y_1)$
My questions are the following:
How do I use this to show that $Y$ is in $T$ ?
What do I do with the fact that $X$ cannot equal $0$?
Is my reasoning correct?
analysis
I let $X=(x_1, y_1)$ be a point in $T$, let $B(r,X)$ be the ball of radius $r$ centered at $X$, and let $Y = (x_2,y_2)$ be a point in $B(r,X)$.
So i want to show that $Y$ is in $T$, in other words that $x_2$ not equal to $0$ and that $-3<y_2<3$.
I started with $sqrt(y_2-y_1)^2 + (x_2-x_1)^2 < r$
...
$|y_2 - y_1| < r$ and $|x_2 - x_1| < r$
...
$y_1-r < y_2 < y_1+r$ and $x_1-r < x2 < x_1+r$
so I set $y_1 - r = -3$ and $y_1 + r = 3$
which led me assuming $r$ must be equal to the $min(y_1 + 3, 3 - y_1)$
My questions are the following:
How do I use this to show that $Y$ is in $T$ ?
What do I do with the fact that $X$ cannot equal $0$?
Is my reasoning correct?
analysis
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Your posting is a bit confusing.
I assume you want construct an $r in Bbb R$ s.t. for all $Y in B(r,X)$ also $Y in T$ holds?
Your first conclusion is already not useful.
You wrote:
I started with $sqrt(y_2-y_1)^2 + (x_2-x_1)^2 < r$
...
$|y_2âÂÂy_1|<r$ and $|x_2âÂÂx_1|<r$
If you mean an implication by "..." this is indeed true.
So let's discuss what we actually want and what we have:
You ḱnow: $X = (x_1,y_1) in T$ hence $x_1 not= 0, -3 < y_1 < 3$
We want: $Y=(x_2,y_2) in T$ hence $x_2 not= 0, -3 < y_2 < 3$
So: How to choose $rin Bbb R$ s.t. the following implication holds:
$|y_2âÂÂy_1|<r wedge|x_2âÂÂx_1|<r quad Rightarrow quad x_2 not= 0, -3 < y_2 < 3$
1.) Let's ensure $x_2 not= 0$ first. We know $x_1 not= 0$ so if $r < |x_1|$ it follows directly $x_2 not = 0$.
2.) To ensure $-3 < y_2 < 3$ we have choose $r < 3 - y_1$ as well as $r < y_1 + 3$ (this is what you already got as I realize now ^^)
So to ensure $Y in T$ we have to choose $r in Bbb R$ this way it fulfills both 1.) and 2.)
So choosing $r < min, y_1 + 3,3 - y_1$ gives us the wanted result.
This really helped thanks a lot.
â mmmmo
Sep 7 at 13:07
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Let's explain more graphically what was the idea behind these formulas: We know $x_1 not= 0$, so $x_1$ has a distance to $0$. The idea is now to ensure that the distance from $x_2$ to $x_1$ is less then the distance from $x_1$ to $0$. Then it follows directly that $x_2$ cannot be $0$. Now $|x_1|$ is the distance from $x_1$ to $0$ (because the absolute value can be seen as a distance). If we draw a circle around $x_1$ with radius $r < |x_1|$ all points within this circle cannot be $0$. And this circle is given by $$leftx_1 - x_2$$ That's it.
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Sep 9 at 8:12
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Your posting is a bit confusing.
I assume you want construct an $r in Bbb R$ s.t. for all $Y in B(r,X)$ also $Y in T$ holds?
Your first conclusion is already not useful.
You wrote:
I started with $sqrt(y_2-y_1)^2 + (x_2-x_1)^2 < r$
...
$|y_2âÂÂy_1|<r$ and $|x_2âÂÂx_1|<r$
If you mean an implication by "..." this is indeed true.
So let's discuss what we actually want and what we have:
You ḱnow: $X = (x_1,y_1) in T$ hence $x_1 not= 0, -3 < y_1 < 3$
We want: $Y=(x_2,y_2) in T$ hence $x_2 not= 0, -3 < y_2 < 3$
So: How to choose $rin Bbb R$ s.t. the following implication holds:
$|y_2âÂÂy_1|<r wedge|x_2âÂÂx_1|<r quad Rightarrow quad x_2 not= 0, -3 < y_2 < 3$
1.) Let's ensure $x_2 not= 0$ first. We know $x_1 not= 0$ so if $r < |x_1|$ it follows directly $x_2 not = 0$.
2.) To ensure $-3 < y_2 < 3$ we have choose $r < 3 - y_1$ as well as $r < y_1 + 3$ (this is what you already got as I realize now ^^)
So to ensure $Y in T$ we have to choose $r in Bbb R$ this way it fulfills both 1.) and 2.)
So choosing $r < min, y_1 + 3,3 - y_1$ gives us the wanted result.
This really helped thanks a lot.
â mmmmo
Sep 7 at 13:07
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Let's explain more graphically what was the idea behind these formulas: We know $x_1 not= 0$, so $x_1$ has a distance to $0$. The idea is now to ensure that the distance from $x_2$ to $x_1$ is less then the distance from $x_1$ to $0$. Then it follows directly that $x_2$ cannot be $0$. Now $|x_1|$ is the distance from $x_1$ to $0$ (because the absolute value can be seen as a distance). If we draw a circle around $x_1$ with radius $r < |x_1|$ all points within this circle cannot be $0$. And this circle is given by $$leftx_1 - x_2$$ That's it.
â Gono
Sep 9 at 8:12
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Your posting is a bit confusing.
I assume you want construct an $r in Bbb R$ s.t. for all $Y in B(r,X)$ also $Y in T$ holds?
Your first conclusion is already not useful.
You wrote:
I started with $sqrt(y_2-y_1)^2 + (x_2-x_1)^2 < r$
...
$|y_2âÂÂy_1|<r$ and $|x_2âÂÂx_1|<r$
If you mean an implication by "..." this is indeed true.
So let's discuss what we actually want and what we have:
You ḱnow: $X = (x_1,y_1) in T$ hence $x_1 not= 0, -3 < y_1 < 3$
We want: $Y=(x_2,y_2) in T$ hence $x_2 not= 0, -3 < y_2 < 3$
So: How to choose $rin Bbb R$ s.t. the following implication holds:
$|y_2âÂÂy_1|<r wedge|x_2âÂÂx_1|<r quad Rightarrow quad x_2 not= 0, -3 < y_2 < 3$
1.) Let's ensure $x_2 not= 0$ first. We know $x_1 not= 0$ so if $r < |x_1|$ it follows directly $x_2 not = 0$.
2.) To ensure $-3 < y_2 < 3$ we have choose $r < 3 - y_1$ as well as $r < y_1 + 3$ (this is what you already got as I realize now ^^)
So to ensure $Y in T$ we have to choose $r in Bbb R$ this way it fulfills both 1.) and 2.)
So choosing $r < min, y_1 + 3,3 - y_1$ gives us the wanted result.
This really helped thanks a lot.
â mmmmo
Sep 7 at 13:07
1
Let's explain more graphically what was the idea behind these formulas: We know $x_1 not= 0$, so $x_1$ has a distance to $0$. The idea is now to ensure that the distance from $x_2$ to $x_1$ is less then the distance from $x_1$ to $0$. Then it follows directly that $x_2$ cannot be $0$. Now $|x_1|$ is the distance from $x_1$ to $0$ (because the absolute value can be seen as a distance). If we draw a circle around $x_1$ with radius $r < |x_1|$ all points within this circle cannot be $0$. And this circle is given by $$leftx_1 - x_2$$ That's it.
â Gono
Sep 9 at 8:12
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Your posting is a bit confusing.
I assume you want construct an $r in Bbb R$ s.t. for all $Y in B(r,X)$ also $Y in T$ holds?
Your first conclusion is already not useful.
You wrote:
I started with $sqrt(y_2-y_1)^2 + (x_2-x_1)^2 < r$
...
$|y_2âÂÂy_1|<r$ and $|x_2âÂÂx_1|<r$
If you mean an implication by "..." this is indeed true.
So let's discuss what we actually want and what we have:
You ḱnow: $X = (x_1,y_1) in T$ hence $x_1 not= 0, -3 < y_1 < 3$
We want: $Y=(x_2,y_2) in T$ hence $x_2 not= 0, -3 < y_2 < 3$
So: How to choose $rin Bbb R$ s.t. the following implication holds:
$|y_2âÂÂy_1|<r wedge|x_2âÂÂx_1|<r quad Rightarrow quad x_2 not= 0, -3 < y_2 < 3$
1.) Let's ensure $x_2 not= 0$ first. We know $x_1 not= 0$ so if $r < |x_1|$ it follows directly $x_2 not = 0$.
2.) To ensure $-3 < y_2 < 3$ we have choose $r < 3 - y_1$ as well as $r < y_1 + 3$ (this is what you already got as I realize now ^^)
So to ensure $Y in T$ we have to choose $r in Bbb R$ this way it fulfills both 1.) and 2.)
So choosing $r < min, y_1 + 3,3 - y_1$ gives us the wanted result.
Your posting is a bit confusing.
I assume you want construct an $r in Bbb R$ s.t. for all $Y in B(r,X)$ also $Y in T$ holds?
Your first conclusion is already not useful.
You wrote:
I started with $sqrt(y_2-y_1)^2 + (x_2-x_1)^2 < r$
...
$|y_2âÂÂy_1|<r$ and $|x_2âÂÂx_1|<r$
If you mean an implication by "..." this is indeed true.
So let's discuss what we actually want and what we have:
You ḱnow: $X = (x_1,y_1) in T$ hence $x_1 not= 0, -3 < y_1 < 3$
We want: $Y=(x_2,y_2) in T$ hence $x_2 not= 0, -3 < y_2 < 3$
So: How to choose $rin Bbb R$ s.t. the following implication holds:
$|y_2âÂÂy_1|<r wedge|x_2âÂÂx_1|<r quad Rightarrow quad x_2 not= 0, -3 < y_2 < 3$
1.) Let's ensure $x_2 not= 0$ first. We know $x_1 not= 0$ so if $r < |x_1|$ it follows directly $x_2 not = 0$.
2.) To ensure $-3 < y_2 < 3$ we have choose $r < 3 - y_1$ as well as $r < y_1 + 3$ (this is what you already got as I realize now ^^)
So to ensure $Y in T$ we have to choose $r in Bbb R$ this way it fulfills both 1.) and 2.)
So choosing $r < min, y_1 + 3,3 - y_1$ gives us the wanted result.
answered Sep 6 at 7:03
Gono
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This really helped thanks a lot.
â mmmmo
Sep 7 at 13:07
1
Let's explain more graphically what was the idea behind these formulas: We know $x_1 not= 0$, so $x_1$ has a distance to $0$. The idea is now to ensure that the distance from $x_2$ to $x_1$ is less then the distance from $x_1$ to $0$. Then it follows directly that $x_2$ cannot be $0$. Now $|x_1|$ is the distance from $x_1$ to $0$ (because the absolute value can be seen as a distance). If we draw a circle around $x_1$ with radius $r < |x_1|$ all points within this circle cannot be $0$. And this circle is given by $$leftx_1 - x_2$$ That's it.
â Gono
Sep 9 at 8:12
add a comment |Â
This really helped thanks a lot.
â mmmmo
Sep 7 at 13:07
1
Let's explain more graphically what was the idea behind these formulas: We know $x_1 not= 0$, so $x_1$ has a distance to $0$. The idea is now to ensure that the distance from $x_2$ to $x_1$ is less then the distance from $x_1$ to $0$. Then it follows directly that $x_2$ cannot be $0$. Now $|x_1|$ is the distance from $x_1$ to $0$ (because the absolute value can be seen as a distance). If we draw a circle around $x_1$ with radius $r < |x_1|$ all points within this circle cannot be $0$. And this circle is given by $$leftx_1 - x_2$$ That's it.
â Gono
Sep 9 at 8:12
This really helped thanks a lot.
â mmmmo
Sep 7 at 13:07
This really helped thanks a lot.
â mmmmo
Sep 7 at 13:07
1
1
Let's explain more graphically what was the idea behind these formulas: We know $x_1 not= 0$, so $x_1$ has a distance to $0$. The idea is now to ensure that the distance from $x_2$ to $x_1$ is less then the distance from $x_1$ to $0$. Then it follows directly that $x_2$ cannot be $0$. Now $|x_1|$ is the distance from $x_1$ to $0$ (because the absolute value can be seen as a distance). If we draw a circle around $x_1$ with radius $r < |x_1|$ all points within this circle cannot be $0$. And this circle is given by $$leftx_1 - x_2$$ That's it.
â Gono
Sep 9 at 8:12
Let's explain more graphically what was the idea behind these formulas: We know $x_1 not= 0$, so $x_1$ has a distance to $0$. The idea is now to ensure that the distance from $x_2$ to $x_1$ is less then the distance from $x_1$ to $0$. Then it follows directly that $x_2$ cannot be $0$. Now $|x_1|$ is the distance from $x_1$ to $0$ (because the absolute value can be seen as a distance). If we draw a circle around $x_1$ with radius $r < |x_1|$ all points within this circle cannot be $0$. And this circle is given by $$leftx_1 - x_2$$ That's it.
â Gono
Sep 9 at 8:12
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