Neighbourhood of a point where $(theta_1)_t_1 circ (theta_2)_t_2 circ cdots circ (theta_k)_t_k$ is defined

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This is actually a detail in Lee’s smooth manifold 2nd ed p.234, 2nd paragraph in the Theorem 9.46. What i found is possibly a correction for the book. Forgive me if it’s not even close.



Let $M$ be a smooth manifold of dimension $n$ and $p in M$ be an arbitrary point and $U$ is a domain of a smooth chart centered at $p$. Suppose that we have $k$-tuple of smooth vector fields $(V_1, dots, V_k)$ defined on $U$. Let $theta_i$ denote the flow of $V_i$.



Before i state the problem that has bugged me, i want to note that actually; first, the chart $U$ above is a slice chart. Second the vector fields $(V_i)$ above is linearly independent and mutually commuting. But for the following problem, i think we will not use those assumptions. Here’s the problem




Lee claim that there exists $epsilon>0$ and a neighbourhood $Y$ of $p$ in $U$ such that the composition $(theta_1)_t_1 circ (theta_2)_t_2 circ cdots circ (theta_k)_t_k$ defined on $Y$ and maps $Y$ into $U$ whenever $|t_1|,dots,|t_k|$ are all less than $epsilon$.




After this claim, he also said that




To see this, just choose $epsilon_k>0$ and $U_k subseteq U$ such that $theta_k$ maps $(-epsilon_k,epsilon_k)times U_k$ into $U$, and then inductively choose $epsilon_i$ and $U_i$ such that $theta_i$ maps $(-epsilon_i,epsilon_i)times U_i$ into $U_i+1$. And then taking $epsilon = textmin epsilon_i$ and $Y=U_1$.




I did the suggested construction but i think the suggestion should be




To see this, just choose $epsilon_1>0$ and $U_1 subseteq U$ such that $theta_1$ maps $(-epsilon_1,epsilon_1)times U_1$ into $U$, and then inductively choose $epsilon_i$ and $U_i$ such that $theta_i$ maps $(-epsilon_i,epsilon_i)times U_i$ into $U_i-1$. And then taking $epsilon = textmin epsilon_i$ and $Y=U_k$.




I may get this wrong. I hope somebody could clarify this for me. Is the suggestion is correct or it should be other way around as i did. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you










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    I would start like you, bet then inductively choose $epsilon_i$ and $U_i$ such that $theta_i$ maps $(-epsilon_i,epsilon_i)times U_i$ into $U_i-1$.
    – Amitai Yuval
    Sep 6 at 9:46










  • @AmitaiYuval Oh yes it should be $i$ to $i-1$. I miss typed. Let me fix.
    – Sou
    Sep 6 at 10:53






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    Well, you're certainly right that you can't have $Y=U_1$. Have you checked Jack Lee's errata for the book on his website?
    – Ted Shifrin
    Sep 7 at 3:57






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    @TedShifrin's right -- I've been on vacation all week. Blissfully unaware of my latest boo-boo.
    – Jack Lee
    Sep 8 at 18:49







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    Ugh. This was wrong in the first edition, and I posted a correction. Then in the second edition, I decided to reverse the order of the flows, but forgot to fix the corrected part. I've now added a correction to my online list. Thanks for pointing it out.
    – Jack Lee
    Sep 8 at 18:51














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This is actually a detail in Lee’s smooth manifold 2nd ed p.234, 2nd paragraph in the Theorem 9.46. What i found is possibly a correction for the book. Forgive me if it’s not even close.



Let $M$ be a smooth manifold of dimension $n$ and $p in M$ be an arbitrary point and $U$ is a domain of a smooth chart centered at $p$. Suppose that we have $k$-tuple of smooth vector fields $(V_1, dots, V_k)$ defined on $U$. Let $theta_i$ denote the flow of $V_i$.



Before i state the problem that has bugged me, i want to note that actually; first, the chart $U$ above is a slice chart. Second the vector fields $(V_i)$ above is linearly independent and mutually commuting. But for the following problem, i think we will not use those assumptions. Here’s the problem




Lee claim that there exists $epsilon>0$ and a neighbourhood $Y$ of $p$ in $U$ such that the composition $(theta_1)_t_1 circ (theta_2)_t_2 circ cdots circ (theta_k)_t_k$ defined on $Y$ and maps $Y$ into $U$ whenever $|t_1|,dots,|t_k|$ are all less than $epsilon$.




After this claim, he also said that




To see this, just choose $epsilon_k>0$ and $U_k subseteq U$ such that $theta_k$ maps $(-epsilon_k,epsilon_k)times U_k$ into $U$, and then inductively choose $epsilon_i$ and $U_i$ such that $theta_i$ maps $(-epsilon_i,epsilon_i)times U_i$ into $U_i+1$. And then taking $epsilon = textmin epsilon_i$ and $Y=U_1$.




I did the suggested construction but i think the suggestion should be




To see this, just choose $epsilon_1>0$ and $U_1 subseteq U$ such that $theta_1$ maps $(-epsilon_1,epsilon_1)times U_1$ into $U$, and then inductively choose $epsilon_i$ and $U_i$ such that $theta_i$ maps $(-epsilon_i,epsilon_i)times U_i$ into $U_i-1$. And then taking $epsilon = textmin epsilon_i$ and $Y=U_k$.




I may get this wrong. I hope somebody could clarify this for me. Is the suggestion is correct or it should be other way around as i did. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you










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  • 1




    I would start like you, bet then inductively choose $epsilon_i$ and $U_i$ such that $theta_i$ maps $(-epsilon_i,epsilon_i)times U_i$ into $U_i-1$.
    – Amitai Yuval
    Sep 6 at 9:46










  • @AmitaiYuval Oh yes it should be $i$ to $i-1$. I miss typed. Let me fix.
    – Sou
    Sep 6 at 10:53






  • 1




    Well, you're certainly right that you can't have $Y=U_1$. Have you checked Jack Lee's errata for the book on his website?
    – Ted Shifrin
    Sep 7 at 3:57






  • 1




    @TedShifrin's right -- I've been on vacation all week. Blissfully unaware of my latest boo-boo.
    – Jack Lee
    Sep 8 at 18:49







  • 1




    Ugh. This was wrong in the first edition, and I posted a correction. Then in the second edition, I decided to reverse the order of the flows, but forgot to fix the corrected part. I've now added a correction to my online list. Thanks for pointing it out.
    – Jack Lee
    Sep 8 at 18:51












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This is actually a detail in Lee’s smooth manifold 2nd ed p.234, 2nd paragraph in the Theorem 9.46. What i found is possibly a correction for the book. Forgive me if it’s not even close.



Let $M$ be a smooth manifold of dimension $n$ and $p in M$ be an arbitrary point and $U$ is a domain of a smooth chart centered at $p$. Suppose that we have $k$-tuple of smooth vector fields $(V_1, dots, V_k)$ defined on $U$. Let $theta_i$ denote the flow of $V_i$.



Before i state the problem that has bugged me, i want to note that actually; first, the chart $U$ above is a slice chart. Second the vector fields $(V_i)$ above is linearly independent and mutually commuting. But for the following problem, i think we will not use those assumptions. Here’s the problem




Lee claim that there exists $epsilon>0$ and a neighbourhood $Y$ of $p$ in $U$ such that the composition $(theta_1)_t_1 circ (theta_2)_t_2 circ cdots circ (theta_k)_t_k$ defined on $Y$ and maps $Y$ into $U$ whenever $|t_1|,dots,|t_k|$ are all less than $epsilon$.




After this claim, he also said that




To see this, just choose $epsilon_k>0$ and $U_k subseteq U$ such that $theta_k$ maps $(-epsilon_k,epsilon_k)times U_k$ into $U$, and then inductively choose $epsilon_i$ and $U_i$ such that $theta_i$ maps $(-epsilon_i,epsilon_i)times U_i$ into $U_i+1$. And then taking $epsilon = textmin epsilon_i$ and $Y=U_1$.




I did the suggested construction but i think the suggestion should be




To see this, just choose $epsilon_1>0$ and $U_1 subseteq U$ such that $theta_1$ maps $(-epsilon_1,epsilon_1)times U_1$ into $U$, and then inductively choose $epsilon_i$ and $U_i$ such that $theta_i$ maps $(-epsilon_i,epsilon_i)times U_i$ into $U_i-1$. And then taking $epsilon = textmin epsilon_i$ and $Y=U_k$.




I may get this wrong. I hope somebody could clarify this for me. Is the suggestion is correct or it should be other way around as i did. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you










share|cite|improve this question















This is actually a detail in Lee’s smooth manifold 2nd ed p.234, 2nd paragraph in the Theorem 9.46. What i found is possibly a correction for the book. Forgive me if it’s not even close.



Let $M$ be a smooth manifold of dimension $n$ and $p in M$ be an arbitrary point and $U$ is a domain of a smooth chart centered at $p$. Suppose that we have $k$-tuple of smooth vector fields $(V_1, dots, V_k)$ defined on $U$. Let $theta_i$ denote the flow of $V_i$.



Before i state the problem that has bugged me, i want to note that actually; first, the chart $U$ above is a slice chart. Second the vector fields $(V_i)$ above is linearly independent and mutually commuting. But for the following problem, i think we will not use those assumptions. Here’s the problem




Lee claim that there exists $epsilon>0$ and a neighbourhood $Y$ of $p$ in $U$ such that the composition $(theta_1)_t_1 circ (theta_2)_t_2 circ cdots circ (theta_k)_t_k$ defined on $Y$ and maps $Y$ into $U$ whenever $|t_1|,dots,|t_k|$ are all less than $epsilon$.




After this claim, he also said that




To see this, just choose $epsilon_k>0$ and $U_k subseteq U$ such that $theta_k$ maps $(-epsilon_k,epsilon_k)times U_k$ into $U$, and then inductively choose $epsilon_i$ and $U_i$ such that $theta_i$ maps $(-epsilon_i,epsilon_i)times U_i$ into $U_i+1$. And then taking $epsilon = textmin epsilon_i$ and $Y=U_1$.




I did the suggested construction but i think the suggestion should be




To see this, just choose $epsilon_1>0$ and $U_1 subseteq U$ such that $theta_1$ maps $(-epsilon_1,epsilon_1)times U_1$ into $U$, and then inductively choose $epsilon_i$ and $U_i$ such that $theta_i$ maps $(-epsilon_i,epsilon_i)times U_i$ into $U_i-1$. And then taking $epsilon = textmin epsilon_i$ and $Y=U_k$.




I may get this wrong. I hope somebody could clarify this for me. Is the suggestion is correct or it should be other way around as i did. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you







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    I would start like you, bet then inductively choose $epsilon_i$ and $U_i$ such that $theta_i$ maps $(-epsilon_i,epsilon_i)times U_i$ into $U_i-1$.
    – Amitai Yuval
    Sep 6 at 9:46










  • @AmitaiYuval Oh yes it should be $i$ to $i-1$. I miss typed. Let me fix.
    – Sou
    Sep 6 at 10:53






  • 1




    Well, you're certainly right that you can't have $Y=U_1$. Have you checked Jack Lee's errata for the book on his website?
    – Ted Shifrin
    Sep 7 at 3:57






  • 1




    @TedShifrin's right -- I've been on vacation all week. Blissfully unaware of my latest boo-boo.
    – Jack Lee
    Sep 8 at 18:49







  • 1




    Ugh. This was wrong in the first edition, and I posted a correction. Then in the second edition, I decided to reverse the order of the flows, but forgot to fix the corrected part. I've now added a correction to my online list. Thanks for pointing it out.
    – Jack Lee
    Sep 8 at 18:51












  • 1




    I would start like you, bet then inductively choose $epsilon_i$ and $U_i$ such that $theta_i$ maps $(-epsilon_i,epsilon_i)times U_i$ into $U_i-1$.
    – Amitai Yuval
    Sep 6 at 9:46










  • @AmitaiYuval Oh yes it should be $i$ to $i-1$. I miss typed. Let me fix.
    – Sou
    Sep 6 at 10:53






  • 1




    Well, you're certainly right that you can't have $Y=U_1$. Have you checked Jack Lee's errata for the book on his website?
    – Ted Shifrin
    Sep 7 at 3:57






  • 1




    @TedShifrin's right -- I've been on vacation all week. Blissfully unaware of my latest boo-boo.
    – Jack Lee
    Sep 8 at 18:49







  • 1




    Ugh. This was wrong in the first edition, and I posted a correction. Then in the second edition, I decided to reverse the order of the flows, but forgot to fix the corrected part. I've now added a correction to my online list. Thanks for pointing it out.
    – Jack Lee
    Sep 8 at 18:51







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I would start like you, bet then inductively choose $epsilon_i$ and $U_i$ such that $theta_i$ maps $(-epsilon_i,epsilon_i)times U_i$ into $U_i-1$.
– Amitai Yuval
Sep 6 at 9:46




I would start like you, bet then inductively choose $epsilon_i$ and $U_i$ such that $theta_i$ maps $(-epsilon_i,epsilon_i)times U_i$ into $U_i-1$.
– Amitai Yuval
Sep 6 at 9:46












@AmitaiYuval Oh yes it should be $i$ to $i-1$. I miss typed. Let me fix.
– Sou
Sep 6 at 10:53




@AmitaiYuval Oh yes it should be $i$ to $i-1$. I miss typed. Let me fix.
– Sou
Sep 6 at 10:53




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1




Well, you're certainly right that you can't have $Y=U_1$. Have you checked Jack Lee's errata for the book on his website?
– Ted Shifrin
Sep 7 at 3:57




Well, you're certainly right that you can't have $Y=U_1$. Have you checked Jack Lee's errata for the book on his website?
– Ted Shifrin
Sep 7 at 3:57




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@TedShifrin's right -- I've been on vacation all week. Blissfully unaware of my latest boo-boo.
– Jack Lee
Sep 8 at 18:49





@TedShifrin's right -- I've been on vacation all week. Blissfully unaware of my latest boo-boo.
– Jack Lee
Sep 8 at 18:49





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Ugh. This was wrong in the first edition, and I posted a correction. Then in the second edition, I decided to reverse the order of the flows, but forgot to fix the corrected part. I've now added a correction to my online list. Thanks for pointing it out.
– Jack Lee
Sep 8 at 18:51




Ugh. This was wrong in the first edition, and I posted a correction. Then in the second edition, I decided to reverse the order of the flows, but forgot to fix the corrected part. I've now added a correction to my online list. Thanks for pointing it out.
– Jack Lee
Sep 8 at 18:51















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