Orthogonality of stochastic matrix

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Given a column stochastic matrix $P$, I wanted to give a relation between $|P|$ and orthogonality of $P$.



One simple way to think about how close $P$ is to being orthogonal is $|P^topP - I|$. Then, I simply went ahead and wrote:
$$|P| leq sqrt$$



First of all, does the above make sense? Secondly, I am not utilizing the fact that $P$ is stochastic, are there ways to get any better relationship than the one given above? Are there any measures defined for stochastic matrices (in literature) that measure how close a matrix is to being orthogonal?



P.S. All norms are Frobenius norms.







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    For the loss of orthogonality, you might find some interesting pointers in Section 4 here.
    – Algebraic Pavel
    Oct 26 '15 at 16:28











  • @AlgebraicPavel Thanks for the pointer! Theorem 4.1 looks very very useful!!
    – TenaliRaman
    Oct 26 '15 at 17:27














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Given a column stochastic matrix $P$, I wanted to give a relation between $|P|$ and orthogonality of $P$.



One simple way to think about how close $P$ is to being orthogonal is $|P^topP - I|$. Then, I simply went ahead and wrote:
$$|P| leq sqrt$$



First of all, does the above make sense? Secondly, I am not utilizing the fact that $P$ is stochastic, are there ways to get any better relationship than the one given above? Are there any measures defined for stochastic matrices (in literature) that measure how close a matrix is to being orthogonal?



P.S. All norms are Frobenius norms.







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    For the loss of orthogonality, you might find some interesting pointers in Section 4 here.
    – Algebraic Pavel
    Oct 26 '15 at 16:28











  • @AlgebraicPavel Thanks for the pointer! Theorem 4.1 looks very very useful!!
    – TenaliRaman
    Oct 26 '15 at 17:27












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Given a column stochastic matrix $P$, I wanted to give a relation between $|P|$ and orthogonality of $P$.



One simple way to think about how close $P$ is to being orthogonal is $|P^topP - I|$. Then, I simply went ahead and wrote:
$$|P| leq sqrt$$



First of all, does the above make sense? Secondly, I am not utilizing the fact that $P$ is stochastic, are there ways to get any better relationship than the one given above? Are there any measures defined for stochastic matrices (in literature) that measure how close a matrix is to being orthogonal?



P.S. All norms are Frobenius norms.







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Given a column stochastic matrix $P$, I wanted to give a relation between $|P|$ and orthogonality of $P$.



One simple way to think about how close $P$ is to being orthogonal is $|P^topP - I|$. Then, I simply went ahead and wrote:
$$|P| leq sqrt$$



First of all, does the above make sense? Secondly, I am not utilizing the fact that $P$ is stochastic, are there ways to get any better relationship than the one given above? Are there any measures defined for stochastic matrices (in literature) that measure how close a matrix is to being orthogonal?



P.S. All norms are Frobenius norms.









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    For the loss of orthogonality, you might find some interesting pointers in Section 4 here.
    – Algebraic Pavel
    Oct 26 '15 at 16:28











  • @AlgebraicPavel Thanks for the pointer! Theorem 4.1 looks very very useful!!
    – TenaliRaman
    Oct 26 '15 at 17:27












  • 1




    For the loss of orthogonality, you might find some interesting pointers in Section 4 here.
    – Algebraic Pavel
    Oct 26 '15 at 16:28











  • @AlgebraicPavel Thanks for the pointer! Theorem 4.1 looks very very useful!!
    – TenaliRaman
    Oct 26 '15 at 17:27







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For the loss of orthogonality, you might find some interesting pointers in Section 4 here.
– Algebraic Pavel
Oct 26 '15 at 16:28





For the loss of orthogonality, you might find some interesting pointers in Section 4 here.
– Algebraic Pavel
Oct 26 '15 at 16:28













@AlgebraicPavel Thanks for the pointer! Theorem 4.1 looks very very useful!!
– TenaliRaman
Oct 26 '15 at 17:27




@AlgebraicPavel Thanks for the pointer! Theorem 4.1 looks very very useful!!
– TenaliRaman
Oct 26 '15 at 17:27















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