If $Z_1,Z_2,…$ are i.i.d., $X_0$ is independent of $Z_1,Z_2,…$ and $X_n=φ(X_n-1,Z_n)$, then $X_0,…,X_n-1$ is independent of $φ(x,Z_n)$

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Let



  • $(Omega,mathcal A),(D,mathcal D)$ and $(E,mathcal E)$ be measurable spaces

  • $Z_1,Z_2,ldots:Omegato D$ be independent and identically distributed random variables

  • $X_0:Omegato E$ be a random variable independent of $Z_1,Z_2,ldots$

  • $varphi:Etimes Dto E$ be $(mathcal Eotimesmathcal D,mathcal E)$-measurable and $$X_n:=varphi(X_n-1,Z_n);;;textfor ninmathbb N$$


Fix $xin E$. How can we show that $X_0,ldots,X_n-1$ is independent of $varphi(x,Z_n)$ for all $ninmathbb N$?




Clearly, since $X_0$ is independent of $Z_1$, $X_0$ is independent of $varphi(x,Z_1)$. This follows from the fat that if $X,Y$ are independent and $f,g$ are measurable, then $fcirc X,gcirc Y$ are independent.



However, I don't see how I need to proceed for $n>1$. The problem is that $X$ being independent of $Y,Z$ doesn't imply independence of $X$ and $(Y,Z)$.







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    Let



    • $(Omega,mathcal A),(D,mathcal D)$ and $(E,mathcal E)$ be measurable spaces

    • $Z_1,Z_2,ldots:Omegato D$ be independent and identically distributed random variables

    • $X_0:Omegato E$ be a random variable independent of $Z_1,Z_2,ldots$

    • $varphi:Etimes Dto E$ be $(mathcal Eotimesmathcal D,mathcal E)$-measurable and $$X_n:=varphi(X_n-1,Z_n);;;textfor ninmathbb N$$


    Fix $xin E$. How can we show that $X_0,ldots,X_n-1$ is independent of $varphi(x,Z_n)$ for all $ninmathbb N$?




    Clearly, since $X_0$ is independent of $Z_1$, $X_0$ is independent of $varphi(x,Z_1)$. This follows from the fat that if $X,Y$ are independent and $f,g$ are measurable, then $fcirc X,gcirc Y$ are independent.



    However, I don't see how I need to proceed for $n>1$. The problem is that $X$ being independent of $Y,Z$ doesn't imply independence of $X$ and $(Y,Z)$.







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      Let



      • $(Omega,mathcal A),(D,mathcal D)$ and $(E,mathcal E)$ be measurable spaces

      • $Z_1,Z_2,ldots:Omegato D$ be independent and identically distributed random variables

      • $X_0:Omegato E$ be a random variable independent of $Z_1,Z_2,ldots$

      • $varphi:Etimes Dto E$ be $(mathcal Eotimesmathcal D,mathcal E)$-measurable and $$X_n:=varphi(X_n-1,Z_n);;;textfor ninmathbb N$$


      Fix $xin E$. How can we show that $X_0,ldots,X_n-1$ is independent of $varphi(x,Z_n)$ for all $ninmathbb N$?




      Clearly, since $X_0$ is independent of $Z_1$, $X_0$ is independent of $varphi(x,Z_1)$. This follows from the fat that if $X,Y$ are independent and $f,g$ are measurable, then $fcirc X,gcirc Y$ are independent.



      However, I don't see how I need to proceed for $n>1$. The problem is that $X$ being independent of $Y,Z$ doesn't imply independence of $X$ and $(Y,Z)$.







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      Let



      • $(Omega,mathcal A),(D,mathcal D)$ and $(E,mathcal E)$ be measurable spaces

      • $Z_1,Z_2,ldots:Omegato D$ be independent and identically distributed random variables

      • $X_0:Omegato E$ be a random variable independent of $Z_1,Z_2,ldots$

      • $varphi:Etimes Dto E$ be $(mathcal Eotimesmathcal D,mathcal E)$-measurable and $$X_n:=varphi(X_n-1,Z_n);;;textfor ninmathbb N$$


      Fix $xin E$. How can we show that $X_0,ldots,X_n-1$ is independent of $varphi(x,Z_n)$ for all $ninmathbb N$?




      Clearly, since $X_0$ is independent of $Z_1$, $X_0$ is independent of $varphi(x,Z_1)$. This follows from the fat that if $X,Y$ are independent and $f,g$ are measurable, then $fcirc X,gcirc Y$ are independent.



      However, I don't see how I need to proceed for $n>1$. The problem is that $X$ being independent of $Y,Z$ doesn't imply independence of $X$ and $(Y,Z)$.









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          Each of the variables $X_0,X_1,...,X_n-1$ is measurable w.r..t $sigma X_0,Z_1,...,Z_n-1$ and $Z_n$ is independent of this sigma algebra. Hence $phi (x,Z_n)$ is independent of this sigma algebra which makes it independent of $X_0,X_1,...,X_n-1$.






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            Each of the variables $X_0,X_1,...,X_n-1$ is measurable w.r..t $sigma X_0,Z_1,...,Z_n-1$ and $Z_n$ is independent of this sigma algebra. Hence $phi (x,Z_n)$ is independent of this sigma algebra which makes it independent of $X_0,X_1,...,X_n-1$.






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              Each of the variables $X_0,X_1,...,X_n-1$ is measurable w.r..t $sigma X_0,Z_1,...,Z_n-1$ and $Z_n$ is independent of this sigma algebra. Hence $phi (x,Z_n)$ is independent of this sigma algebra which makes it independent of $X_0,X_1,...,X_n-1$.






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                Each of the variables $X_0,X_1,...,X_n-1$ is measurable w.r..t $sigma X_0,Z_1,...,Z_n-1$ and $Z_n$ is independent of this sigma algebra. Hence $phi (x,Z_n)$ is independent of this sigma algebra which makes it independent of $X_0,X_1,...,X_n-1$.






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                Each of the variables $X_0,X_1,...,X_n-1$ is measurable w.r..t $sigma X_0,Z_1,...,Z_n-1$ and $Z_n$ is independent of this sigma algebra. Hence $phi (x,Z_n)$ is independent of this sigma algebra which makes it independent of $X_0,X_1,...,X_n-1$.







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