Matrices $M$ and $N$ with $MNneq NM$.

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Matrices $M=beginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrix$ and $N=beginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix$ represent $y = 2x$ and $3y = x$, respectively. Verify that $MN$ is not equal to $NM$, and explain why this should have been expected.



What transformations do the two products represent?



I tried multiplying and finding the products of $MN$ and $NM$, but when I calculated them, they seemed to be equal. I got beginpmatrix-0.48& 0.48\ 0.48& -0.48endpmatrix both times.



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  • $left(matrixa & b \ c & dright)$ gives $left(matrixa & b \ c & dright)$. You can edit your question here.
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  • @ArnaudMortier You can get the same result shorter with pmatrix like this: $pmatrix a & b \ c & d $ → $pmatrix a & b \ c & d $
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    It looks like you're multiplying the matrices wrong. Matrix multiplication is not element wise, like how you seem to be doing it.
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  • What do you mean they represent $y=2x$ and $3y=x$? And yes, I agree with Sriram. Recheck the definition of matrix multiplication.
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Matrices $M=beginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrix$ and $N=beginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix$ represent $y = 2x$ and $3y = x$, respectively. Verify that $MN$ is not equal to $NM$, and explain why this should have been expected.



What transformations do the two products represent?



I tried multiplying and finding the products of $MN$ and $NM$, but when I calculated them, they seemed to be equal. I got beginpmatrix-0.48& 0.48\ 0.48& -0.48endpmatrix both times.



Am I doing something wrong?







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  • $left(matrixa & b \ c & dright)$ gives $left(matrixa & b \ c & dright)$. You can edit your question here.
    – Arnaud Mortier
    Aug 17 at 5:24











  • @ArnaudMortier You can get the same result shorter with pmatrix like this: $pmatrix a & b \ c & d $ → $pmatrix a & b \ c & d $
    – CiaPan
    Aug 17 at 5:29






  • 2




    It looks like you're multiplying the matrices wrong. Matrix multiplication is not element wise, like how you seem to be doing it.
    – Sriram Gopalakrishnan
    Aug 17 at 5:33










  • What do you mean they represent $y=2x$ and $3y=x$? And yes, I agree with Sriram. Recheck the definition of matrix multiplication.
    – zahbaz
    Aug 17 at 5:42












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Matrices $M=beginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrix$ and $N=beginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix$ represent $y = 2x$ and $3y = x$, respectively. Verify that $MN$ is not equal to $NM$, and explain why this should have been expected.



What transformations do the two products represent?



I tried multiplying and finding the products of $MN$ and $NM$, but when I calculated them, they seemed to be equal. I got beginpmatrix-0.48& 0.48\ 0.48& -0.48endpmatrix both times.



Am I doing something wrong?







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Matrices $M=beginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrix$ and $N=beginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix$ represent $y = 2x$ and $3y = x$, respectively. Verify that $MN$ is not equal to $NM$, and explain why this should have been expected.



What transformations do the two products represent?



I tried multiplying and finding the products of $MN$ and $NM$, but when I calculated them, they seemed to be equal. I got beginpmatrix-0.48& 0.48\ 0.48& -0.48endpmatrix both times.



Am I doing something wrong?









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  • $left(matrixa & b \ c & dright)$ gives $left(matrixa & b \ c & dright)$. You can edit your question here.
    – Arnaud Mortier
    Aug 17 at 5:24











  • @ArnaudMortier You can get the same result shorter with pmatrix like this: $pmatrix a & b \ c & d $ → $pmatrix a & b \ c & d $
    – CiaPan
    Aug 17 at 5:29






  • 2




    It looks like you're multiplying the matrices wrong. Matrix multiplication is not element wise, like how you seem to be doing it.
    – Sriram Gopalakrishnan
    Aug 17 at 5:33










  • What do you mean they represent $y=2x$ and $3y=x$? And yes, I agree with Sriram. Recheck the definition of matrix multiplication.
    – zahbaz
    Aug 17 at 5:42
















  • $left(matrixa & b \ c & dright)$ gives $left(matrixa & b \ c & dright)$. You can edit your question here.
    – Arnaud Mortier
    Aug 17 at 5:24











  • @ArnaudMortier You can get the same result shorter with pmatrix like this: $pmatrix a & b \ c & d $ → $pmatrix a & b \ c & d $
    – CiaPan
    Aug 17 at 5:29






  • 2




    It looks like you're multiplying the matrices wrong. Matrix multiplication is not element wise, like how you seem to be doing it.
    – Sriram Gopalakrishnan
    Aug 17 at 5:33










  • What do you mean they represent $y=2x$ and $3y=x$? And yes, I agree with Sriram. Recheck the definition of matrix multiplication.
    – zahbaz
    Aug 17 at 5:42















$left(matrixa & b \ c & dright)$ gives $left(matrixa & b \ c & dright)$. You can edit your question here.
– Arnaud Mortier
Aug 17 at 5:24





$left(matrixa & b \ c & dright)$ gives $left(matrixa & b \ c & dright)$. You can edit your question here.
– Arnaud Mortier
Aug 17 at 5:24













@ArnaudMortier You can get the same result shorter with pmatrix like this: $pmatrix a & b \ c & d $ → $pmatrix a & b \ c & d $
– CiaPan
Aug 17 at 5:29




@ArnaudMortier You can get the same result shorter with pmatrix like this: $pmatrix a & b \ c & d $ → $pmatrix a & b \ c & d $
– CiaPan
Aug 17 at 5:29




2




2




It looks like you're multiplying the matrices wrong. Matrix multiplication is not element wise, like how you seem to be doing it.
– Sriram Gopalakrishnan
Aug 17 at 5:33




It looks like you're multiplying the matrices wrong. Matrix multiplication is not element wise, like how you seem to be doing it.
– Sriram Gopalakrishnan
Aug 17 at 5:33












What do you mean they represent $y=2x$ and $3y=x$? And yes, I agree with Sriram. Recheck the definition of matrix multiplication.
– zahbaz
Aug 17 at 5:42




What do you mean they represent $y=2x$ and $3y=x$? And yes, I agree with Sriram. Recheck the definition of matrix multiplication.
– zahbaz
Aug 17 at 5:42










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Yes, you are doing something wrong. But it is hard to tell, when you do not show your calculation.



For example when we calculate $MN$.



Then:



$beginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrixcdot beginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix=beginpmatrix (-0.6)cdot 0.8+0.6cdot 0.8& (-0.6)cdot 0.6+0.8cdot (-0.8)\0.8cdot 0.8+0.6cdot 0.6&0.8cdot 0.6+0.6cdot (-0.8)endpmatrix=beginpmatrix0&-1\1&0endpmatrix$



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    Take a point $(1,1)$ and multiply by the matrices:
    $$beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrix=beginpmatrix0.2&1.4endpmatrix text(M is reflecting the point via $y=2x$);\
    beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix=beginpmatrix1.4&-0.2endpmatrix text(N is reflecting the point via $y=fracx3$);\
    beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix=beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0&-1\1&0endpmatrix=\
    =beginpmatrix1&-1endpmatrix text(MN is reflecting the point via $x$-axis);\
    beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrixbeginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrix=beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0&1\-1&0endpmatrix=\
    =beginpmatrix-1&1endpmatrix text(NM is reflecting the point via $y$-axis).$$






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      First off, matrix multiplication is not simply multiplying term wise. Here, what you did, is said that
      $$beginbmatrix
      a_11&a_12 \
      a_21&a_22
      endbmatrix
      beginbmatrix
      b_11&b_12 \
      b_21&b_22
      endbmatrix
      =
      beginbmatrix
      a_11b_11&a_12b_12 \
      a_21b_21&a_22b_22
      endbmatrix
      $$
      which is not right.



      It should really be
      $$
      beginbmatrix
      a_11&a_12 \
      a_21&a_22
      endbmatrix
      beginbmatrix
      b_11&b_12 \
      b_21&b_22
      endbmatrix
      =
      beginbmatrix
      a_11b_11+a_12b_21&a_11b_12+a_12b_22 \
      a_21b_11+a_22b_21&a_21b_12+a_22b_22
      endbmatrix
      $$



      As has been calculated above in another answer, one gets with $MN$ ...
      beginbmatrix
      0&-1 \
      1&0
      endbmatrix



      and with $NM$...
      $$
      beginbmatrix
      0&1\
      -1&0\
      endbmatrix
      $$, so
      $MN neq MN$.



      Now, I think the bigger problem is making sense of matrix multiplication.



      Now, you may wonder, why is THIS the way we multiply matrices? While the way you multiplied might make the most 'sense' in terms of computation when you think about matrices, in terms of structure and linear maps, the bottom definition is far superior, because it represents the combination of two linear maps. Here is a nice way to think about matrix multiplication. As you should probably know, a linear map just maps a vector space to another, linearly. A matrix represents a linear map with respect to a given basis, the matrix
      beginbmatrix
      a_11&a_12 \
      a_21&a_22
      endbmatrix
      and a vector $b=[b_1 , , b_2]$, that we can write $b$ in terms of basis vectors $e_1$ and $e_2$, so that we write for some values $v_1$ and $v_2$, $b=e_1v_1 + e_2v_2 $. A linear transformation, $f$ of this, one finds $f(b) = v_1f(e_1)+v_2f(e_2)$. Now, clearly, since $f$ brings a vector to a vector, we can write, with $f()_x$ the $x$th element of the vector...
      $$
      left{
      beginarrayc
      f(b)_1&=v_1f(e_1)_1+v_2f(e_2)_1\
      f(b)_2&=v_1f(e_1)_2+v_2f(e_2)_2
      endarray
      right.
      $$



      Notice something familiar? Let us take $e_1=[1 , , 0]$ and $e_2=[0 , , 1]$, the standard basis vectors as they are called. Let us represent $f(e_m)_n$ as $A_nm$. The 'swap' in indices is just notation.



      From this, we declare the matrix
      $
      A=
      beginbmatrix
      a_11&a_12 \
      a_21&a_22
      endbmatrix
      $



      Now, when we compose two linear maps, we do this two times. That is, I have a matrix, $A$, take a vector, $v$, to an new vector, $w$. I then take this vector, $w$ using $B$, to once again a new vector, $u$. Then, $u=B(Av)$. We define the value $C=AB$ to be the matrix such that $u=Cv$. You can think of this as associativity of mappings.



      Actually calculating it out, one finds
      $$
      beginbmatrix
      a_11&a_12 \
      a_21&a_22
      endbmatrix
      left(
      beginbmatrix
      b_11&b_12 \
      b_21&b_22
      endbmatrix
      beginbmatrix
      v_1 \
      v_2
      endbmatrix
      right)
      =
      beginbmatrix
      a_11&a_12 \
      a_21&a_22
      endbmatrix
      beginbmatrix
      b_11v_1+b_12v_2 \
      b_21v_1+b_22v_2
      endbmatrix
      =
      beginbmatrix
      (a_11b_11+a_12b_21)v_1+(a_11b_12+a_12b_22)v_2 \
      (a_21b_11+a_22b_21)v_1+(a_21b_12+a_22b_22)v_2
      endbmatrix
      $$
      We can 'factor out' these terms and find that
      $$AB=beginbmatrix
      a_11b_11+a_12b_21&a_11b_12+a_12b_22 \
      a_21b_11+a_22b_21&a_21b_12+a_22b_22
      endbmatrix$$.



      Or, another way of seeing this is that by definition of the matrix, the first column represents the transformed basis vector, which we in turn transform again, so 'singling out' this vector and transforming it normally will be like tipping the $m$th column of the right matrix into the $n$th row of the left matrix, and doing the 'linear calculation'(matching first with first, second with second and adding), to get the $nm$th index.



      Can you see, why, in general, this is not commutative? Just try swapping around the a's and b's and you will find that in the top left, since in general, $a_12 neq a_21$, so the top left clearly isn't commutative and so neither the whole matrix.






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        Yes, you are doing something wrong. But it is hard to tell, when you do not show your calculation.



        For example when we calculate $MN$.



        Then:



        $beginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrixcdot beginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix=beginpmatrix (-0.6)cdot 0.8+0.6cdot 0.8& (-0.6)cdot 0.6+0.8cdot (-0.8)\0.8cdot 0.8+0.6cdot 0.6&0.8cdot 0.6+0.6cdot (-0.8)endpmatrix=beginpmatrix0&-1\1&0endpmatrix$



        Similar you calculate $NM$.






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          Yes, you are doing something wrong. But it is hard to tell, when you do not show your calculation.



          For example when we calculate $MN$.



          Then:



          $beginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrixcdot beginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix=beginpmatrix (-0.6)cdot 0.8+0.6cdot 0.8& (-0.6)cdot 0.6+0.8cdot (-0.8)\0.8cdot 0.8+0.6cdot 0.6&0.8cdot 0.6+0.6cdot (-0.8)endpmatrix=beginpmatrix0&-1\1&0endpmatrix$



          Similar you calculate $NM$.






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            Yes, you are doing something wrong. But it is hard to tell, when you do not show your calculation.



            For example when we calculate $MN$.



            Then:



            $beginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrixcdot beginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix=beginpmatrix (-0.6)cdot 0.8+0.6cdot 0.8& (-0.6)cdot 0.6+0.8cdot (-0.8)\0.8cdot 0.8+0.6cdot 0.6&0.8cdot 0.6+0.6cdot (-0.8)endpmatrix=beginpmatrix0&-1\1&0endpmatrix$



            Similar you calculate $NM$.






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            Yes, you are doing something wrong. But it is hard to tell, when you do not show your calculation.



            For example when we calculate $MN$.



            Then:



            $beginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrixcdot beginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix=beginpmatrix (-0.6)cdot 0.8+0.6cdot 0.8& (-0.6)cdot 0.6+0.8cdot (-0.8)\0.8cdot 0.8+0.6cdot 0.6&0.8cdot 0.6+0.6cdot (-0.8)endpmatrix=beginpmatrix0&-1\1&0endpmatrix$



            Similar you calculate $NM$.







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                Take a point $(1,1)$ and multiply by the matrices:
                $$beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrix=beginpmatrix0.2&1.4endpmatrix text(M is reflecting the point via $y=2x$);\
                beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix=beginpmatrix1.4&-0.2endpmatrix text(N is reflecting the point via $y=fracx3$);\
                beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix=beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0&-1\1&0endpmatrix=\
                =beginpmatrix1&-1endpmatrix text(MN is reflecting the point via $x$-axis);\
                beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrixbeginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrix=beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0&1\-1&0endpmatrix=\
                =beginpmatrix-1&1endpmatrix text(NM is reflecting the point via $y$-axis).$$






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                  Take a point $(1,1)$ and multiply by the matrices:
                  $$beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrix=beginpmatrix0.2&1.4endpmatrix text(M is reflecting the point via $y=2x$);\
                  beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix=beginpmatrix1.4&-0.2endpmatrix text(N is reflecting the point via $y=fracx3$);\
                  beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix=beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0&-1\1&0endpmatrix=\
                  =beginpmatrix1&-1endpmatrix text(MN is reflecting the point via $x$-axis);\
                  beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrixbeginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrix=beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0&1\-1&0endpmatrix=\
                  =beginpmatrix-1&1endpmatrix text(NM is reflecting the point via $y$-axis).$$






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                    Take a point $(1,1)$ and multiply by the matrices:
                    $$beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrix=beginpmatrix0.2&1.4endpmatrix text(M is reflecting the point via $y=2x$);\
                    beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix=beginpmatrix1.4&-0.2endpmatrix text(N is reflecting the point via $y=fracx3$);\
                    beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix=beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0&-1\1&0endpmatrix=\
                    =beginpmatrix1&-1endpmatrix text(MN is reflecting the point via $x$-axis);\
                    beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrixbeginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrix=beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0&1\-1&0endpmatrix=\
                    =beginpmatrix-1&1endpmatrix text(NM is reflecting the point via $y$-axis).$$






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                    Take a point $(1,1)$ and multiply by the matrices:
                    $$beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrix=beginpmatrix0.2&1.4endpmatrix text(M is reflecting the point via $y=2x$);\
                    beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix=beginpmatrix1.4&-0.2endpmatrix text(N is reflecting the point via $y=fracx3$);\
                    beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrix=beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0&-1\1&0endpmatrix=\
                    =beginpmatrix1&-1endpmatrix text(MN is reflecting the point via $x$-axis);\
                    beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0.8&0.6\0.6&-0.8endpmatrixbeginpmatrix-0.6&0.8\0.8&0.6endpmatrix=beginpmatrix1&1endpmatrixbeginpmatrix0&1\-1&0endpmatrix=\
                    =beginpmatrix-1&1endpmatrix text(NM is reflecting the point via $y$-axis).$$







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                        First off, matrix multiplication is not simply multiplying term wise. Here, what you did, is said that
                        $$beginbmatrix
                        a_11&a_12 \
                        a_21&a_22
                        endbmatrix
                        beginbmatrix
                        b_11&b_12 \
                        b_21&b_22
                        endbmatrix
                        =
                        beginbmatrix
                        a_11b_11&a_12b_12 \
                        a_21b_21&a_22b_22
                        endbmatrix
                        $$
                        which is not right.



                        It should really be
                        $$
                        beginbmatrix
                        a_11&a_12 \
                        a_21&a_22
                        endbmatrix
                        beginbmatrix
                        b_11&b_12 \
                        b_21&b_22
                        endbmatrix
                        =
                        beginbmatrix
                        a_11b_11+a_12b_21&a_11b_12+a_12b_22 \
                        a_21b_11+a_22b_21&a_21b_12+a_22b_22
                        endbmatrix
                        $$



                        As has been calculated above in another answer, one gets with $MN$ ...
                        beginbmatrix
                        0&-1 \
                        1&0
                        endbmatrix



                        and with $NM$...
                        $$
                        beginbmatrix
                        0&1\
                        -1&0\
                        endbmatrix
                        $$, so
                        $MN neq MN$.



                        Now, I think the bigger problem is making sense of matrix multiplication.



                        Now, you may wonder, why is THIS the way we multiply matrices? While the way you multiplied might make the most 'sense' in terms of computation when you think about matrices, in terms of structure and linear maps, the bottom definition is far superior, because it represents the combination of two linear maps. Here is a nice way to think about matrix multiplication. As you should probably know, a linear map just maps a vector space to another, linearly. A matrix represents a linear map with respect to a given basis, the matrix
                        beginbmatrix
                        a_11&a_12 \
                        a_21&a_22
                        endbmatrix
                        and a vector $b=[b_1 , , b_2]$, that we can write $b$ in terms of basis vectors $e_1$ and $e_2$, so that we write for some values $v_1$ and $v_2$, $b=e_1v_1 + e_2v_2 $. A linear transformation, $f$ of this, one finds $f(b) = v_1f(e_1)+v_2f(e_2)$. Now, clearly, since $f$ brings a vector to a vector, we can write, with $f()_x$ the $x$th element of the vector...
                        $$
                        left{
                        beginarrayc
                        f(b)_1&=v_1f(e_1)_1+v_2f(e_2)_1\
                        f(b)_2&=v_1f(e_1)_2+v_2f(e_2)_2
                        endarray
                        right.
                        $$



                        Notice something familiar? Let us take $e_1=[1 , , 0]$ and $e_2=[0 , , 1]$, the standard basis vectors as they are called. Let us represent $f(e_m)_n$ as $A_nm$. The 'swap' in indices is just notation.



                        From this, we declare the matrix
                        $
                        A=
                        beginbmatrix
                        a_11&a_12 \
                        a_21&a_22
                        endbmatrix
                        $



                        Now, when we compose two linear maps, we do this two times. That is, I have a matrix, $A$, take a vector, $v$, to an new vector, $w$. I then take this vector, $w$ using $B$, to once again a new vector, $u$. Then, $u=B(Av)$. We define the value $C=AB$ to be the matrix such that $u=Cv$. You can think of this as associativity of mappings.



                        Actually calculating it out, one finds
                        $$
                        beginbmatrix
                        a_11&a_12 \
                        a_21&a_22
                        endbmatrix
                        left(
                        beginbmatrix
                        b_11&b_12 \
                        b_21&b_22
                        endbmatrix
                        beginbmatrix
                        v_1 \
                        v_2
                        endbmatrix
                        right)
                        =
                        beginbmatrix
                        a_11&a_12 \
                        a_21&a_22
                        endbmatrix
                        beginbmatrix
                        b_11v_1+b_12v_2 \
                        b_21v_1+b_22v_2
                        endbmatrix
                        =
                        beginbmatrix
                        (a_11b_11+a_12b_21)v_1+(a_11b_12+a_12b_22)v_2 \
                        (a_21b_11+a_22b_21)v_1+(a_21b_12+a_22b_22)v_2
                        endbmatrix
                        $$
                        We can 'factor out' these terms and find that
                        $$AB=beginbmatrix
                        a_11b_11+a_12b_21&a_11b_12+a_12b_22 \
                        a_21b_11+a_22b_21&a_21b_12+a_22b_22
                        endbmatrix$$.



                        Or, another way of seeing this is that by definition of the matrix, the first column represents the transformed basis vector, which we in turn transform again, so 'singling out' this vector and transforming it normally will be like tipping the $m$th column of the right matrix into the $n$th row of the left matrix, and doing the 'linear calculation'(matching first with first, second with second and adding), to get the $nm$th index.



                        Can you see, why, in general, this is not commutative? Just try swapping around the a's and b's and you will find that in the top left, since in general, $a_12 neq a_21$, so the top left clearly isn't commutative and so neither the whole matrix.






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                          First off, matrix multiplication is not simply multiplying term wise. Here, what you did, is said that
                          $$beginbmatrix
                          a_11&a_12 \
                          a_21&a_22
                          endbmatrix
                          beginbmatrix
                          b_11&b_12 \
                          b_21&b_22
                          endbmatrix
                          =
                          beginbmatrix
                          a_11b_11&a_12b_12 \
                          a_21b_21&a_22b_22
                          endbmatrix
                          $$
                          which is not right.



                          It should really be
                          $$
                          beginbmatrix
                          a_11&a_12 \
                          a_21&a_22
                          endbmatrix
                          beginbmatrix
                          b_11&b_12 \
                          b_21&b_22
                          endbmatrix
                          =
                          beginbmatrix
                          a_11b_11+a_12b_21&a_11b_12+a_12b_22 \
                          a_21b_11+a_22b_21&a_21b_12+a_22b_22
                          endbmatrix
                          $$



                          As has been calculated above in another answer, one gets with $MN$ ...
                          beginbmatrix
                          0&-1 \
                          1&0
                          endbmatrix



                          and with $NM$...
                          $$
                          beginbmatrix
                          0&1\
                          -1&0\
                          endbmatrix
                          $$, so
                          $MN neq MN$.



                          Now, I think the bigger problem is making sense of matrix multiplication.



                          Now, you may wonder, why is THIS the way we multiply matrices? While the way you multiplied might make the most 'sense' in terms of computation when you think about matrices, in terms of structure and linear maps, the bottom definition is far superior, because it represents the combination of two linear maps. Here is a nice way to think about matrix multiplication. As you should probably know, a linear map just maps a vector space to another, linearly. A matrix represents a linear map with respect to a given basis, the matrix
                          beginbmatrix
                          a_11&a_12 \
                          a_21&a_22
                          endbmatrix
                          and a vector $b=[b_1 , , b_2]$, that we can write $b$ in terms of basis vectors $e_1$ and $e_2$, so that we write for some values $v_1$ and $v_2$, $b=e_1v_1 + e_2v_2 $. A linear transformation, $f$ of this, one finds $f(b) = v_1f(e_1)+v_2f(e_2)$. Now, clearly, since $f$ brings a vector to a vector, we can write, with $f()_x$ the $x$th element of the vector...
                          $$
                          left{
                          beginarrayc
                          f(b)_1&=v_1f(e_1)_1+v_2f(e_2)_1\
                          f(b)_2&=v_1f(e_1)_2+v_2f(e_2)_2
                          endarray
                          right.
                          $$



                          Notice something familiar? Let us take $e_1=[1 , , 0]$ and $e_2=[0 , , 1]$, the standard basis vectors as they are called. Let us represent $f(e_m)_n$ as $A_nm$. The 'swap' in indices is just notation.



                          From this, we declare the matrix
                          $
                          A=
                          beginbmatrix
                          a_11&a_12 \
                          a_21&a_22
                          endbmatrix
                          $



                          Now, when we compose two linear maps, we do this two times. That is, I have a matrix, $A$, take a vector, $v$, to an new vector, $w$. I then take this vector, $w$ using $B$, to once again a new vector, $u$. Then, $u=B(Av)$. We define the value $C=AB$ to be the matrix such that $u=Cv$. You can think of this as associativity of mappings.



                          Actually calculating it out, one finds
                          $$
                          beginbmatrix
                          a_11&a_12 \
                          a_21&a_22
                          endbmatrix
                          left(
                          beginbmatrix
                          b_11&b_12 \
                          b_21&b_22
                          endbmatrix
                          beginbmatrix
                          v_1 \
                          v_2
                          endbmatrix
                          right)
                          =
                          beginbmatrix
                          a_11&a_12 \
                          a_21&a_22
                          endbmatrix
                          beginbmatrix
                          b_11v_1+b_12v_2 \
                          b_21v_1+b_22v_2
                          endbmatrix
                          =
                          beginbmatrix
                          (a_11b_11+a_12b_21)v_1+(a_11b_12+a_12b_22)v_2 \
                          (a_21b_11+a_22b_21)v_1+(a_21b_12+a_22b_22)v_2
                          endbmatrix
                          $$
                          We can 'factor out' these terms and find that
                          $$AB=beginbmatrix
                          a_11b_11+a_12b_21&a_11b_12+a_12b_22 \
                          a_21b_11+a_22b_21&a_21b_12+a_22b_22
                          endbmatrix$$.



                          Or, another way of seeing this is that by definition of the matrix, the first column represents the transformed basis vector, which we in turn transform again, so 'singling out' this vector and transforming it normally will be like tipping the $m$th column of the right matrix into the $n$th row of the left matrix, and doing the 'linear calculation'(matching first with first, second with second and adding), to get the $nm$th index.



                          Can you see, why, in general, this is not commutative? Just try swapping around the a's and b's and you will find that in the top left, since in general, $a_12 neq a_21$, so the top left clearly isn't commutative and so neither the whole matrix.






                          share|cite|improve this answer
























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                            0
                            down vote










                            up vote
                            0
                            down vote









                            First off, matrix multiplication is not simply multiplying term wise. Here, what you did, is said that
                            $$beginbmatrix
                            a_11&a_12 \
                            a_21&a_22
                            endbmatrix
                            beginbmatrix
                            b_11&b_12 \
                            b_21&b_22
                            endbmatrix
                            =
                            beginbmatrix
                            a_11b_11&a_12b_12 \
                            a_21b_21&a_22b_22
                            endbmatrix
                            $$
                            which is not right.



                            It should really be
                            $$
                            beginbmatrix
                            a_11&a_12 \
                            a_21&a_22
                            endbmatrix
                            beginbmatrix
                            b_11&b_12 \
                            b_21&b_22
                            endbmatrix
                            =
                            beginbmatrix
                            a_11b_11+a_12b_21&a_11b_12+a_12b_22 \
                            a_21b_11+a_22b_21&a_21b_12+a_22b_22
                            endbmatrix
                            $$



                            As has been calculated above in another answer, one gets with $MN$ ...
                            beginbmatrix
                            0&-1 \
                            1&0
                            endbmatrix



                            and with $NM$...
                            $$
                            beginbmatrix
                            0&1\
                            -1&0\
                            endbmatrix
                            $$, so
                            $MN neq MN$.



                            Now, I think the bigger problem is making sense of matrix multiplication.



                            Now, you may wonder, why is THIS the way we multiply matrices? While the way you multiplied might make the most 'sense' in terms of computation when you think about matrices, in terms of structure and linear maps, the bottom definition is far superior, because it represents the combination of two linear maps. Here is a nice way to think about matrix multiplication. As you should probably know, a linear map just maps a vector space to another, linearly. A matrix represents a linear map with respect to a given basis, the matrix
                            beginbmatrix
                            a_11&a_12 \
                            a_21&a_22
                            endbmatrix
                            and a vector $b=[b_1 , , b_2]$, that we can write $b$ in terms of basis vectors $e_1$ and $e_2$, so that we write for some values $v_1$ and $v_2$, $b=e_1v_1 + e_2v_2 $. A linear transformation, $f$ of this, one finds $f(b) = v_1f(e_1)+v_2f(e_2)$. Now, clearly, since $f$ brings a vector to a vector, we can write, with $f()_x$ the $x$th element of the vector...
                            $$
                            left{
                            beginarrayc
                            f(b)_1&=v_1f(e_1)_1+v_2f(e_2)_1\
                            f(b)_2&=v_1f(e_1)_2+v_2f(e_2)_2
                            endarray
                            right.
                            $$



                            Notice something familiar? Let us take $e_1=[1 , , 0]$ and $e_2=[0 , , 1]$, the standard basis vectors as they are called. Let us represent $f(e_m)_n$ as $A_nm$. The 'swap' in indices is just notation.



                            From this, we declare the matrix
                            $
                            A=
                            beginbmatrix
                            a_11&a_12 \
                            a_21&a_22
                            endbmatrix
                            $



                            Now, when we compose two linear maps, we do this two times. That is, I have a matrix, $A$, take a vector, $v$, to an new vector, $w$. I then take this vector, $w$ using $B$, to once again a new vector, $u$. Then, $u=B(Av)$. We define the value $C=AB$ to be the matrix such that $u=Cv$. You can think of this as associativity of mappings.



                            Actually calculating it out, one finds
                            $$
                            beginbmatrix
                            a_11&a_12 \
                            a_21&a_22
                            endbmatrix
                            left(
                            beginbmatrix
                            b_11&b_12 \
                            b_21&b_22
                            endbmatrix
                            beginbmatrix
                            v_1 \
                            v_2
                            endbmatrix
                            right)
                            =
                            beginbmatrix
                            a_11&a_12 \
                            a_21&a_22
                            endbmatrix
                            beginbmatrix
                            b_11v_1+b_12v_2 \
                            b_21v_1+b_22v_2
                            endbmatrix
                            =
                            beginbmatrix
                            (a_11b_11+a_12b_21)v_1+(a_11b_12+a_12b_22)v_2 \
                            (a_21b_11+a_22b_21)v_1+(a_21b_12+a_22b_22)v_2
                            endbmatrix
                            $$
                            We can 'factor out' these terms and find that
                            $$AB=beginbmatrix
                            a_11b_11+a_12b_21&a_11b_12+a_12b_22 \
                            a_21b_11+a_22b_21&a_21b_12+a_22b_22
                            endbmatrix$$.



                            Or, another way of seeing this is that by definition of the matrix, the first column represents the transformed basis vector, which we in turn transform again, so 'singling out' this vector and transforming it normally will be like tipping the $m$th column of the right matrix into the $n$th row of the left matrix, and doing the 'linear calculation'(matching first with first, second with second and adding), to get the $nm$th index.



                            Can you see, why, in general, this is not commutative? Just try swapping around the a's and b's and you will find that in the top left, since in general, $a_12 neq a_21$, so the top left clearly isn't commutative and so neither the whole matrix.






                            share|cite|improve this answer














                            First off, matrix multiplication is not simply multiplying term wise. Here, what you did, is said that
                            $$beginbmatrix
                            a_11&a_12 \
                            a_21&a_22
                            endbmatrix
                            beginbmatrix
                            b_11&b_12 \
                            b_21&b_22
                            endbmatrix
                            =
                            beginbmatrix
                            a_11b_11&a_12b_12 \
                            a_21b_21&a_22b_22
                            endbmatrix
                            $$
                            which is not right.



                            It should really be
                            $$
                            beginbmatrix
                            a_11&a_12 \
                            a_21&a_22
                            endbmatrix
                            beginbmatrix
                            b_11&b_12 \
                            b_21&b_22
                            endbmatrix
                            =
                            beginbmatrix
                            a_11b_11+a_12b_21&a_11b_12+a_12b_22 \
                            a_21b_11+a_22b_21&a_21b_12+a_22b_22
                            endbmatrix
                            $$



                            As has been calculated above in another answer, one gets with $MN$ ...
                            beginbmatrix
                            0&-1 \
                            1&0
                            endbmatrix



                            and with $NM$...
                            $$
                            beginbmatrix
                            0&1\
                            -1&0\
                            endbmatrix
                            $$, so
                            $MN neq MN$.



                            Now, I think the bigger problem is making sense of matrix multiplication.



                            Now, you may wonder, why is THIS the way we multiply matrices? While the way you multiplied might make the most 'sense' in terms of computation when you think about matrices, in terms of structure and linear maps, the bottom definition is far superior, because it represents the combination of two linear maps. Here is a nice way to think about matrix multiplication. As you should probably know, a linear map just maps a vector space to another, linearly. A matrix represents a linear map with respect to a given basis, the matrix
                            beginbmatrix
                            a_11&a_12 \
                            a_21&a_22
                            endbmatrix
                            and a vector $b=[b_1 , , b_2]$, that we can write $b$ in terms of basis vectors $e_1$ and $e_2$, so that we write for some values $v_1$ and $v_2$, $b=e_1v_1 + e_2v_2 $. A linear transformation, $f$ of this, one finds $f(b) = v_1f(e_1)+v_2f(e_2)$. Now, clearly, since $f$ brings a vector to a vector, we can write, with $f()_x$ the $x$th element of the vector...
                            $$
                            left{
                            beginarrayc
                            f(b)_1&=v_1f(e_1)_1+v_2f(e_2)_1\
                            f(b)_2&=v_1f(e_1)_2+v_2f(e_2)_2
                            endarray
                            right.
                            $$



                            Notice something familiar? Let us take $e_1=[1 , , 0]$ and $e_2=[0 , , 1]$, the standard basis vectors as they are called. Let us represent $f(e_m)_n$ as $A_nm$. The 'swap' in indices is just notation.



                            From this, we declare the matrix
                            $
                            A=
                            beginbmatrix
                            a_11&a_12 \
                            a_21&a_22
                            endbmatrix
                            $



                            Now, when we compose two linear maps, we do this two times. That is, I have a matrix, $A$, take a vector, $v$, to an new vector, $w$. I then take this vector, $w$ using $B$, to once again a new vector, $u$. Then, $u=B(Av)$. We define the value $C=AB$ to be the matrix such that $u=Cv$. You can think of this as associativity of mappings.



                            Actually calculating it out, one finds
                            $$
                            beginbmatrix
                            a_11&a_12 \
                            a_21&a_22
                            endbmatrix
                            left(
                            beginbmatrix
                            b_11&b_12 \
                            b_21&b_22
                            endbmatrix
                            beginbmatrix
                            v_1 \
                            v_2
                            endbmatrix
                            right)
                            =
                            beginbmatrix
                            a_11&a_12 \
                            a_21&a_22
                            endbmatrix
                            beginbmatrix
                            b_11v_1+b_12v_2 \
                            b_21v_1+b_22v_2
                            endbmatrix
                            =
                            beginbmatrix
                            (a_11b_11+a_12b_21)v_1+(a_11b_12+a_12b_22)v_2 \
                            (a_21b_11+a_22b_21)v_1+(a_21b_12+a_22b_22)v_2
                            endbmatrix
                            $$
                            We can 'factor out' these terms and find that
                            $$AB=beginbmatrix
                            a_11b_11+a_12b_21&a_11b_12+a_12b_22 \
                            a_21b_11+a_22b_21&a_21b_12+a_22b_22
                            endbmatrix$$.



                            Or, another way of seeing this is that by definition of the matrix, the first column represents the transformed basis vector, which we in turn transform again, so 'singling out' this vector and transforming it normally will be like tipping the $m$th column of the right matrix into the $n$th row of the left matrix, and doing the 'linear calculation'(matching first with first, second with second and adding), to get the $nm$th index.



                            Can you see, why, in general, this is not commutative? Just try swapping around the a's and b's and you will find that in the top left, since in general, $a_12 neq a_21$, so the top left clearly isn't commutative and so neither the whole matrix.







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