When does $veca langle vecb, vecc rangle = langle veca, vecb rangle vecc$ hold?
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When does $veca langle vecb, vecc rangle = langle veca, vecb rangle vecc$, where $langle veca, vecb rangle$ is the dot product of $veca$ and $vecb$?
I can see that it holds when $veca$ and $vecc$ are perpendicular to $vecb$, because then $langle veca, vecb rangle = langle vecb, vecc rangle = 0$, but how do I make sure if there are any other possibilities?
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When does $veca langle vecb, vecc rangle = langle veca, vecb rangle vecc$, where $langle veca, vecb rangle$ is the dot product of $veca$ and $vecb$?
I can see that it holds when $veca$ and $vecc$ are perpendicular to $vecb$, because then $langle veca, vecb rangle = langle vecb, vecc rangle = 0$, but how do I make sure if there are any other possibilities?
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Cleraly when $a$ and $c$ are parallel.
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Aug 26 at 9:54
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why does $a,b$ perpendicular mean that $langle b,crangle = 0$?
â Calvin Khor
Aug 26 at 10:01
if your argument is going to work you also require $b$ and $c$ to be perpendicular. There is also the possibility that $c=0$.
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When does $veca langle vecb, vecc rangle = langle veca, vecb rangle vecc$, where $langle veca, vecb rangle$ is the dot product of $veca$ and $vecb$?
I can see that it holds when $veca$ and $vecc$ are perpendicular to $vecb$, because then $langle veca, vecb rangle = langle vecb, vecc rangle = 0$, but how do I make sure if there are any other possibilities?
linear-algebra vectors
When does $veca langle vecb, vecc rangle = langle veca, vecb rangle vecc$, where $langle veca, vecb rangle$ is the dot product of $veca$ and $vecb$?
I can see that it holds when $veca$ and $vecc$ are perpendicular to $vecb$, because then $langle veca, vecb rangle = langle vecb, vecc rangle = 0$, but how do I make sure if there are any other possibilities?
linear-algebra vectors
edited Aug 26 at 10:20
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Cleraly when $a$ and $c$ are parallel.
â greedoid
Aug 26 at 9:54
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why does $a,b$ perpendicular mean that $langle b,crangle = 0$?
â Calvin Khor
Aug 26 at 10:01
if your argument is going to work you also require $b$ and $c$ to be perpendicular. There is also the possibility that $c=0$.
â Alvin Lepik
Aug 26 at 10:17
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Cleraly when $a$ and $c$ are parallel.
â greedoid
Aug 26 at 9:54
1
why does $a,b$ perpendicular mean that $langle b,crangle = 0$?
â Calvin Khor
Aug 26 at 10:01
if your argument is going to work you also require $b$ and $c$ to be perpendicular. There is also the possibility that $c=0$.
â Alvin Lepik
Aug 26 at 10:17
Cleraly when $a$ and $c$ are parallel.
â greedoid
Aug 26 at 9:54
Cleraly when $a$ and $c$ are parallel.
â greedoid
Aug 26 at 9:54
1
1
why does $a,b$ perpendicular mean that $langle b,crangle = 0$?
â Calvin Khor
Aug 26 at 10:01
why does $a,b$ perpendicular mean that $langle b,crangle = 0$?
â Calvin Khor
Aug 26 at 10:01
if your argument is going to work you also require $b$ and $c$ to be perpendicular. There is also the possibility that $c=0$.
â Alvin Lepik
Aug 26 at 10:17
if your argument is going to work you also require $b$ and $c$ to be perpendicular. There is also the possibility that $c=0$.
â Alvin Lepik
Aug 26 at 10:17
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If $langleveca,,vecbrangle=0$, we require $veca=0lorlanglevecb,,veccrangle=0$. We can deal with the case $langlevecb,,veccrangle=0$ similarly, so hereafter assume neither is true.
We need $veca$ to be parallel to $vecc$, where I call the zero vector parallel to everything, and indeed if either $veca$ or $vecc$ vanishes the condition holds. Otherwise parallelism can be stated as $veca=kvecc$ for $kne 0$, so the given condition reduces to $kvecclanglevecb,,veccrangle=langle kvecc,,vecbranglevecc$. For a real-valued inner product, this holds for any $vecb,,vecc$. For a complex-valued inner product linear in its first argument, we also need $langlevecb,,veccrangleinmathbbR$. For a complex-valued inner product antilinear in its first argument, we instead have the final requirement $klanglevecb,,veccrangleinmathbbR$.
Do $veca$ and $vecc$ need to be parallel if $vecb=vec0$?
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Aug 26 at 10:43
@user570271 Thanks; fixed.
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Aug 26 at 11:01
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An interesting identity of vector arithmetic is the "bac cab rule"
$$ veca times (vecb times vecc) =
vecb langle veca, vecc rangle
- vecc langle veca, vecb rangle $$
Thus,
$$veca langle vecb, vecc rangle = langle veca, vecb rangle vecc
qquad text if and only if qquad
vecb times (veca times vecc) = 0
$$
Since, for nonzero $vecv$ and $vecw$, we have that $vecv times vecw = 0$ if and only if they are parallel, and otherwise $vecv times vecw$ is perpendicular to the plane they span, we conclude:
Theorem: We have $veca langle vecb, vecc rangle = langle veca, vecb rangle vecc $ if and only if one (or more) of the following hold:
- one or more of the vectors are zero,
- $vecb$ is perpendicular to the plane spanned by $veca$ and $vecc$,
- $veca$ and $vecc$ are parallel.
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We can consider case by case.
- If $(b,c)neq 0$ and $(a,b)neq 0$, then $a$ and $c$ are parallele.
- If, say, $(b,c) = 0$, then you have the zero vector on LHS. Thus $(a,b)=0$ or $c=0$.
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3 Answers
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3 Answers
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If $langleveca,,vecbrangle=0$, we require $veca=0lorlanglevecb,,veccrangle=0$. We can deal with the case $langlevecb,,veccrangle=0$ similarly, so hereafter assume neither is true.
We need $veca$ to be parallel to $vecc$, where I call the zero vector parallel to everything, and indeed if either $veca$ or $vecc$ vanishes the condition holds. Otherwise parallelism can be stated as $veca=kvecc$ for $kne 0$, so the given condition reduces to $kvecclanglevecb,,veccrangle=langle kvecc,,vecbranglevecc$. For a real-valued inner product, this holds for any $vecb,,vecc$. For a complex-valued inner product linear in its first argument, we also need $langlevecb,,veccrangleinmathbbR$. For a complex-valued inner product antilinear in its first argument, we instead have the final requirement $klanglevecb,,veccrangleinmathbbR$.
Do $veca$ and $vecc$ need to be parallel if $vecb=vec0$?
â user570271
Aug 26 at 10:43
@user570271 Thanks; fixed.
â J.G.
Aug 26 at 11:01
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If $langleveca,,vecbrangle=0$, we require $veca=0lorlanglevecb,,veccrangle=0$. We can deal with the case $langlevecb,,veccrangle=0$ similarly, so hereafter assume neither is true.
We need $veca$ to be parallel to $vecc$, where I call the zero vector parallel to everything, and indeed if either $veca$ or $vecc$ vanishes the condition holds. Otherwise parallelism can be stated as $veca=kvecc$ for $kne 0$, so the given condition reduces to $kvecclanglevecb,,veccrangle=langle kvecc,,vecbranglevecc$. For a real-valued inner product, this holds for any $vecb,,vecc$. For a complex-valued inner product linear in its first argument, we also need $langlevecb,,veccrangleinmathbbR$. For a complex-valued inner product antilinear in its first argument, we instead have the final requirement $klanglevecb,,veccrangleinmathbbR$.
Do $veca$ and $vecc$ need to be parallel if $vecb=vec0$?
â user570271
Aug 26 at 10:43
@user570271 Thanks; fixed.
â J.G.
Aug 26 at 11:01
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If $langleveca,,vecbrangle=0$, we require $veca=0lorlanglevecb,,veccrangle=0$. We can deal with the case $langlevecb,,veccrangle=0$ similarly, so hereafter assume neither is true.
We need $veca$ to be parallel to $vecc$, where I call the zero vector parallel to everything, and indeed if either $veca$ or $vecc$ vanishes the condition holds. Otherwise parallelism can be stated as $veca=kvecc$ for $kne 0$, so the given condition reduces to $kvecclanglevecb,,veccrangle=langle kvecc,,vecbranglevecc$. For a real-valued inner product, this holds for any $vecb,,vecc$. For a complex-valued inner product linear in its first argument, we also need $langlevecb,,veccrangleinmathbbR$. For a complex-valued inner product antilinear in its first argument, we instead have the final requirement $klanglevecb,,veccrangleinmathbbR$.
If $langleveca,,vecbrangle=0$, we require $veca=0lorlanglevecb,,veccrangle=0$. We can deal with the case $langlevecb,,veccrangle=0$ similarly, so hereafter assume neither is true.
We need $veca$ to be parallel to $vecc$, where I call the zero vector parallel to everything, and indeed if either $veca$ or $vecc$ vanishes the condition holds. Otherwise parallelism can be stated as $veca=kvecc$ for $kne 0$, so the given condition reduces to $kvecclanglevecb,,veccrangle=langle kvecc,,vecbranglevecc$. For a real-valued inner product, this holds for any $vecb,,vecc$. For a complex-valued inner product linear in its first argument, we also need $langlevecb,,veccrangleinmathbbR$. For a complex-valued inner product antilinear in its first argument, we instead have the final requirement $klanglevecb,,veccrangleinmathbbR$.
edited Aug 26 at 11:27
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answered Aug 26 at 10:34
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Do $veca$ and $vecc$ need to be parallel if $vecb=vec0$?
â user570271
Aug 26 at 10:43
@user570271 Thanks; fixed.
â J.G.
Aug 26 at 11:01
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Do $veca$ and $vecc$ need to be parallel if $vecb=vec0$?
â user570271
Aug 26 at 10:43
@user570271 Thanks; fixed.
â J.G.
Aug 26 at 11:01
Do $veca$ and $vecc$ need to be parallel if $vecb=vec0$?
â user570271
Aug 26 at 10:43
Do $veca$ and $vecc$ need to be parallel if $vecb=vec0$?
â user570271
Aug 26 at 10:43
@user570271 Thanks; fixed.
â J.G.
Aug 26 at 11:01
@user570271 Thanks; fixed.
â J.G.
Aug 26 at 11:01
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An interesting identity of vector arithmetic is the "bac cab rule"
$$ veca times (vecb times vecc) =
vecb langle veca, vecc rangle
- vecc langle veca, vecb rangle $$
Thus,
$$veca langle vecb, vecc rangle = langle veca, vecb rangle vecc
qquad text if and only if qquad
vecb times (veca times vecc) = 0
$$
Since, for nonzero $vecv$ and $vecw$, we have that $vecv times vecw = 0$ if and only if they are parallel, and otherwise $vecv times vecw$ is perpendicular to the plane they span, we conclude:
Theorem: We have $veca langle vecb, vecc rangle = langle veca, vecb rangle vecc $ if and only if one (or more) of the following hold:
- one or more of the vectors are zero,
- $vecb$ is perpendicular to the plane spanned by $veca$ and $vecc$,
- $veca$ and $vecc$ are parallel.
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An interesting identity of vector arithmetic is the "bac cab rule"
$$ veca times (vecb times vecc) =
vecb langle veca, vecc rangle
- vecc langle veca, vecb rangle $$
Thus,
$$veca langle vecb, vecc rangle = langle veca, vecb rangle vecc
qquad text if and only if qquad
vecb times (veca times vecc) = 0
$$
Since, for nonzero $vecv$ and $vecw$, we have that $vecv times vecw = 0$ if and only if they are parallel, and otherwise $vecv times vecw$ is perpendicular to the plane they span, we conclude:
Theorem: We have $veca langle vecb, vecc rangle = langle veca, vecb rangle vecc $ if and only if one (or more) of the following hold:
- one or more of the vectors are zero,
- $vecb$ is perpendicular to the plane spanned by $veca$ and $vecc$,
- $veca$ and $vecc$ are parallel.
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up vote
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An interesting identity of vector arithmetic is the "bac cab rule"
$$ veca times (vecb times vecc) =
vecb langle veca, vecc rangle
- vecc langle veca, vecb rangle $$
Thus,
$$veca langle vecb, vecc rangle = langle veca, vecb rangle vecc
qquad text if and only if qquad
vecb times (veca times vecc) = 0
$$
Since, for nonzero $vecv$ and $vecw$, we have that $vecv times vecw = 0$ if and only if they are parallel, and otherwise $vecv times vecw$ is perpendicular to the plane they span, we conclude:
Theorem: We have $veca langle vecb, vecc rangle = langle veca, vecb rangle vecc $ if and only if one (or more) of the following hold:
- one or more of the vectors are zero,
- $vecb$ is perpendicular to the plane spanned by $veca$ and $vecc$,
- $veca$ and $vecc$ are parallel.
An interesting identity of vector arithmetic is the "bac cab rule"
$$ veca times (vecb times vecc) =
vecb langle veca, vecc rangle
- vecc langle veca, vecb rangle $$
Thus,
$$veca langle vecb, vecc rangle = langle veca, vecb rangle vecc
qquad text if and only if qquad
vecb times (veca times vecc) = 0
$$
Since, for nonzero $vecv$ and $vecw$, we have that $vecv times vecw = 0$ if and only if they are parallel, and otherwise $vecv times vecw$ is perpendicular to the plane they span, we conclude:
Theorem: We have $veca langle vecb, vecc rangle = langle veca, vecb rangle vecc $ if and only if one (or more) of the following hold:
- one or more of the vectors are zero,
- $vecb$ is perpendicular to the plane spanned by $veca$ and $vecc$,
- $veca$ and $vecc$ are parallel.
edited Aug 26 at 10:23
answered Aug 26 at 10:18
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We can consider case by case.
- If $(b,c)neq 0$ and $(a,b)neq 0$, then $a$ and $c$ are parallele.
- If, say, $(b,c) = 0$, then you have the zero vector on LHS. Thus $(a,b)=0$ or $c=0$.
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We can consider case by case.
- If $(b,c)neq 0$ and $(a,b)neq 0$, then $a$ and $c$ are parallele.
- If, say, $(b,c) = 0$, then you have the zero vector on LHS. Thus $(a,b)=0$ or $c=0$.
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We can consider case by case.
- If $(b,c)neq 0$ and $(a,b)neq 0$, then $a$ and $c$ are parallele.
- If, say, $(b,c) = 0$, then you have the zero vector on LHS. Thus $(a,b)=0$ or $c=0$.
We can consider case by case.
- If $(b,c)neq 0$ and $(a,b)neq 0$, then $a$ and $c$ are parallele.
- If, say, $(b,c) = 0$, then you have the zero vector on LHS. Thus $(a,b)=0$ or $c=0$.
answered Aug 26 at 10:00
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Cleraly when $a$ and $c$ are parallel.
â greedoid
Aug 26 at 9:54
1
why does $a,b$ perpendicular mean that $langle b,crangle = 0$?
â Calvin Khor
Aug 26 at 10:01
if your argument is going to work you also require $b$ and $c$ to be perpendicular. There is also the possibility that $c=0$.
â Alvin Lepik
Aug 26 at 10:17