How do I eliminate $x$ and $y$ from the system $x^2 y= a$, $x(x+y)= b$, $2x+y=c$ to get a single equation in $a$, $b$, $c$?
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Alright, a homework problem.
I'm stuck at this question,
Eliminate $x$ and $y$ from the given equations to get a single
equation in terms of $a$ , $b$ and $c$
$$beginalign
x^2 y &= a \
x(x+y) &= b \
2x+y &=c
endalign$$
Let me tell you what I tried, I tried to get $y$ from one equation and substitute in the other two. Turns out that I'm not able to fully get rid of both $x$ and $y$. Help please.
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Alright, a homework problem.
I'm stuck at this question,
Eliminate $x$ and $y$ from the given equations to get a single
equation in terms of $a$ , $b$ and $c$
$$beginalign
x^2 y &= a \
x(x+y) &= b \
2x+y &=c
endalign$$
Let me tell you what I tried, I tried to get $y$ from one equation and substitute in the other two. Turns out that I'm not able to fully get rid of both $x$ and $y$. Help please.
algebra-precalculus
1
can you show what you have obtained currently?
â Siong Thye Goh
Aug 26 at 9:18
@SiongThyeGoh yea sure, it's not anything impressive though. I was just trying things out to see where it goes.
â William
Aug 26 at 9:20
Why not totally isolate $y$? $y=frac ax^2 = frac bx-x=c-2x$ You can use this to get rid of $x$.
â Mohammad Zuhair Khan
Aug 26 at 9:21
@MohammadZuhairKhan yes that's exactly what I tried. But that's the thing, I'm not able to get rid of both. Either $x$ stays in or $y$.
â William
Aug 26 at 9:24
Solve 2nd eqn for $y$, sub into 3rd eqn, solve that for $x$, etc.
â Gerry Myerson
Aug 26 at 9:27
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Alright, a homework problem.
I'm stuck at this question,
Eliminate $x$ and $y$ from the given equations to get a single
equation in terms of $a$ , $b$ and $c$
$$beginalign
x^2 y &= a \
x(x+y) &= b \
2x+y &=c
endalign$$
Let me tell you what I tried, I tried to get $y$ from one equation and substitute in the other two. Turns out that I'm not able to fully get rid of both $x$ and $y$. Help please.
algebra-precalculus
Alright, a homework problem.
I'm stuck at this question,
Eliminate $x$ and $y$ from the given equations to get a single
equation in terms of $a$ , $b$ and $c$
$$beginalign
x^2 y &= a \
x(x+y) &= b \
2x+y &=c
endalign$$
Let me tell you what I tried, I tried to get $y$ from one equation and substitute in the other two. Turns out that I'm not able to fully get rid of both $x$ and $y$. Help please.
algebra-precalculus
edited Aug 26 at 10:24
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can you show what you have obtained currently?
â Siong Thye Goh
Aug 26 at 9:18
@SiongThyeGoh yea sure, it's not anything impressive though. I was just trying things out to see where it goes.
â William
Aug 26 at 9:20
Why not totally isolate $y$? $y=frac ax^2 = frac bx-x=c-2x$ You can use this to get rid of $x$.
â Mohammad Zuhair Khan
Aug 26 at 9:21
@MohammadZuhairKhan yes that's exactly what I tried. But that's the thing, I'm not able to get rid of both. Either $x$ stays in or $y$.
â William
Aug 26 at 9:24
Solve 2nd eqn for $y$, sub into 3rd eqn, solve that for $x$, etc.
â Gerry Myerson
Aug 26 at 9:27
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1
can you show what you have obtained currently?
â Siong Thye Goh
Aug 26 at 9:18
@SiongThyeGoh yea sure, it's not anything impressive though. I was just trying things out to see where it goes.
â William
Aug 26 at 9:20
Why not totally isolate $y$? $y=frac ax^2 = frac bx-x=c-2x$ You can use this to get rid of $x$.
â Mohammad Zuhair Khan
Aug 26 at 9:21
@MohammadZuhairKhan yes that's exactly what I tried. But that's the thing, I'm not able to get rid of both. Either $x$ stays in or $y$.
â William
Aug 26 at 9:24
Solve 2nd eqn for $y$, sub into 3rd eqn, solve that for $x$, etc.
â Gerry Myerson
Aug 26 at 9:27
1
1
can you show what you have obtained currently?
â Siong Thye Goh
Aug 26 at 9:18
can you show what you have obtained currently?
â Siong Thye Goh
Aug 26 at 9:18
@SiongThyeGoh yea sure, it's not anything impressive though. I was just trying things out to see where it goes.
â William
Aug 26 at 9:20
@SiongThyeGoh yea sure, it's not anything impressive though. I was just trying things out to see where it goes.
â William
Aug 26 at 9:20
Why not totally isolate $y$? $y=frac ax^2 = frac bx-x=c-2x$ You can use this to get rid of $x$.
â Mohammad Zuhair Khan
Aug 26 at 9:21
Why not totally isolate $y$? $y=frac ax^2 = frac bx-x=c-2x$ You can use this to get rid of $x$.
â Mohammad Zuhair Khan
Aug 26 at 9:21
@MohammadZuhairKhan yes that's exactly what I tried. But that's the thing, I'm not able to get rid of both. Either $x$ stays in or $y$.
â William
Aug 26 at 9:24
@MohammadZuhairKhan yes that's exactly what I tried. But that's the thing, I'm not able to get rid of both. Either $x$ stays in or $y$.
â William
Aug 26 at 9:24
Solve 2nd eqn for $y$, sub into 3rd eqn, solve that for $x$, etc.
â Gerry Myerson
Aug 26 at 9:27
Solve 2nd eqn for $y$, sub into 3rd eqn, solve that for $x$, etc.
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Aug 26 at 9:27
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I'm confused why you say in comments that "still $y$ does not get eliminated" -- at a point in the conversation where $y$ should have disappeared long ago.
You can solve your third equation $2x+y=c$ to get $y=c-2x$. When you plug that into the two other equations you get
$$ x^2(c-2x)=a \
x(x+c-2x)= b $$
No matter what you do subsequently, there won't be any $y$s left to deal with!
What I would do at this point is put off dividing for as long as possible, so rewrite the second equation to
$$ x^2 = cx - b $$
This form lets you reduce any polynomial in $x$ to a first-degree polynomial, by repeatedly using it to eliminate the highest-degree term. We will use it to simplify the third-degree first equation. First substitute the leading $x^2$ to get
$$ (cx-b)(c-2x) = a $$
Multiply out:
$$ c^2x + 2bx - 2cx^2 - bc = a $$
and then insert $x^2=cx-b$ once again:
$$ c^2x + 2bx - 2c(cx-b) - bc = a $$
This is finally a linear equation in $x$. You can solve it without running into any square roots, and insert this value for $x$ into $x^2=cx-b$. What is left then is a rational equation in only $a$, $b$, and $c$, as desired.
Unless the coefficient of $x$ in the linear equation was $0$ (which is a case you'll need to handle separately), each step along the way was reversible, so you will know that if you have $a,b,c$ that satisfy the final equation, they will also have a solution for $x$ and $y$.
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Combine the first and second equations to eliminate $y$:
$x(x+fracax^2)=b$
which tidies to
$x^2+fracax=b$ ....... (1)
combine the second and third equations to eliminate $y$:
$x(x+c-2x)=b$
which tidies to
$x^2-cx+b=0$
solving this quadratic gives
$x=fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2$
which you can substitute into equation (1):
$left(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)^2+fracaleft(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)=b$
1
It might be messy but it is, at least, an answer
â Bruce
Aug 26 at 10:07
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You can notice that the product resp. the sum of $x$ and $x+y$ are $c$ resp. $b$, you solve that and get a simple system in $x$ and $x+y$ and you substitute in the first equation. Pretty same ideas.
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I will work with 2nd and 3rd equations to solve for $x$ and $y$.
From (3) we get,
$$y=c-2x$$
Substituting the value in (2) we get,
$$x(x+(c-2x))=b$$
$$implies x^2-cx+b=0$$
$$x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b) text or, dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$$
If $x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$,then,
$$y=-sqrtc^2-4b$$
Now,we plug the values of x and y in equation in (1),
We get,
$$-dfrac14(c^2+2csqrtc^2-4b+c^2-4b)sqrtc^2-4b=a$$
And this is the required equation.
[If you use another value of $x$ then,we will get another equation like it.]
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I'm confused why you say in comments that "still $y$ does not get eliminated" -- at a point in the conversation where $y$ should have disappeared long ago.
You can solve your third equation $2x+y=c$ to get $y=c-2x$. When you plug that into the two other equations you get
$$ x^2(c-2x)=a \
x(x+c-2x)= b $$
No matter what you do subsequently, there won't be any $y$s left to deal with!
What I would do at this point is put off dividing for as long as possible, so rewrite the second equation to
$$ x^2 = cx - b $$
This form lets you reduce any polynomial in $x$ to a first-degree polynomial, by repeatedly using it to eliminate the highest-degree term. We will use it to simplify the third-degree first equation. First substitute the leading $x^2$ to get
$$ (cx-b)(c-2x) = a $$
Multiply out:
$$ c^2x + 2bx - 2cx^2 - bc = a $$
and then insert $x^2=cx-b$ once again:
$$ c^2x + 2bx - 2c(cx-b) - bc = a $$
This is finally a linear equation in $x$. You can solve it without running into any square roots, and insert this value for $x$ into $x^2=cx-b$. What is left then is a rational equation in only $a$, $b$, and $c$, as desired.
Unless the coefficient of $x$ in the linear equation was $0$ (which is a case you'll need to handle separately), each step along the way was reversible, so you will know that if you have $a,b,c$ that satisfy the final equation, they will also have a solution for $x$ and $y$.
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I'm confused why you say in comments that "still $y$ does not get eliminated" -- at a point in the conversation where $y$ should have disappeared long ago.
You can solve your third equation $2x+y=c$ to get $y=c-2x$. When you plug that into the two other equations you get
$$ x^2(c-2x)=a \
x(x+c-2x)= b $$
No matter what you do subsequently, there won't be any $y$s left to deal with!
What I would do at this point is put off dividing for as long as possible, so rewrite the second equation to
$$ x^2 = cx - b $$
This form lets you reduce any polynomial in $x$ to a first-degree polynomial, by repeatedly using it to eliminate the highest-degree term. We will use it to simplify the third-degree first equation. First substitute the leading $x^2$ to get
$$ (cx-b)(c-2x) = a $$
Multiply out:
$$ c^2x + 2bx - 2cx^2 - bc = a $$
and then insert $x^2=cx-b$ once again:
$$ c^2x + 2bx - 2c(cx-b) - bc = a $$
This is finally a linear equation in $x$. You can solve it without running into any square roots, and insert this value for $x$ into $x^2=cx-b$. What is left then is a rational equation in only $a$, $b$, and $c$, as desired.
Unless the coefficient of $x$ in the linear equation was $0$ (which is a case you'll need to handle separately), each step along the way was reversible, so you will know that if you have $a,b,c$ that satisfy the final equation, they will also have a solution for $x$ and $y$.
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I'm confused why you say in comments that "still $y$ does not get eliminated" -- at a point in the conversation where $y$ should have disappeared long ago.
You can solve your third equation $2x+y=c$ to get $y=c-2x$. When you plug that into the two other equations you get
$$ x^2(c-2x)=a \
x(x+c-2x)= b $$
No matter what you do subsequently, there won't be any $y$s left to deal with!
What I would do at this point is put off dividing for as long as possible, so rewrite the second equation to
$$ x^2 = cx - b $$
This form lets you reduce any polynomial in $x$ to a first-degree polynomial, by repeatedly using it to eliminate the highest-degree term. We will use it to simplify the third-degree first equation. First substitute the leading $x^2$ to get
$$ (cx-b)(c-2x) = a $$
Multiply out:
$$ c^2x + 2bx - 2cx^2 - bc = a $$
and then insert $x^2=cx-b$ once again:
$$ c^2x + 2bx - 2c(cx-b) - bc = a $$
This is finally a linear equation in $x$. You can solve it without running into any square roots, and insert this value for $x$ into $x^2=cx-b$. What is left then is a rational equation in only $a$, $b$, and $c$, as desired.
Unless the coefficient of $x$ in the linear equation was $0$ (which is a case you'll need to handle separately), each step along the way was reversible, so you will know that if you have $a,b,c$ that satisfy the final equation, they will also have a solution for $x$ and $y$.
I'm confused why you say in comments that "still $y$ does not get eliminated" -- at a point in the conversation where $y$ should have disappeared long ago.
You can solve your third equation $2x+y=c$ to get $y=c-2x$. When you plug that into the two other equations you get
$$ x^2(c-2x)=a \
x(x+c-2x)= b $$
No matter what you do subsequently, there won't be any $y$s left to deal with!
What I would do at this point is put off dividing for as long as possible, so rewrite the second equation to
$$ x^2 = cx - b $$
This form lets you reduce any polynomial in $x$ to a first-degree polynomial, by repeatedly using it to eliminate the highest-degree term. We will use it to simplify the third-degree first equation. First substitute the leading $x^2$ to get
$$ (cx-b)(c-2x) = a $$
Multiply out:
$$ c^2x + 2bx - 2cx^2 - bc = a $$
and then insert $x^2=cx-b$ once again:
$$ c^2x + 2bx - 2c(cx-b) - bc = a $$
This is finally a linear equation in $x$. You can solve it without running into any square roots, and insert this value for $x$ into $x^2=cx-b$. What is left then is a rational equation in only $a$, $b$, and $c$, as desired.
Unless the coefficient of $x$ in the linear equation was $0$ (which is a case you'll need to handle separately), each step along the way was reversible, so you will know that if you have $a,b,c$ that satisfy the final equation, they will also have a solution for $x$ and $y$.
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Combine the first and second equations to eliminate $y$:
$x(x+fracax^2)=b$
which tidies to
$x^2+fracax=b$ ....... (1)
combine the second and third equations to eliminate $y$:
$x(x+c-2x)=b$
which tidies to
$x^2-cx+b=0$
solving this quadratic gives
$x=fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2$
which you can substitute into equation (1):
$left(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)^2+fracaleft(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)=b$
1
It might be messy but it is, at least, an answer
â Bruce
Aug 26 at 10:07
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Combine the first and second equations to eliminate $y$:
$x(x+fracax^2)=b$
which tidies to
$x^2+fracax=b$ ....... (1)
combine the second and third equations to eliminate $y$:
$x(x+c-2x)=b$
which tidies to
$x^2-cx+b=0$
solving this quadratic gives
$x=fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2$
which you can substitute into equation (1):
$left(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)^2+fracaleft(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)=b$
1
It might be messy but it is, at least, an answer
â Bruce
Aug 26 at 10:07
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Combine the first and second equations to eliminate $y$:
$x(x+fracax^2)=b$
which tidies to
$x^2+fracax=b$ ....... (1)
combine the second and third equations to eliminate $y$:
$x(x+c-2x)=b$
which tidies to
$x^2-cx+b=0$
solving this quadratic gives
$x=fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2$
which you can substitute into equation (1):
$left(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)^2+fracaleft(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)=b$
Combine the first and second equations to eliminate $y$:
$x(x+fracax^2)=b$
which tidies to
$x^2+fracax=b$ ....... (1)
combine the second and third equations to eliminate $y$:
$x(x+c-2x)=b$
which tidies to
$x^2-cx+b=0$
solving this quadratic gives
$x=fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2$
which you can substitute into equation (1):
$left(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)^2+fracaleft(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)=b$
edited Aug 26 at 10:06
answered Aug 26 at 9:28
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It might be messy but it is, at least, an answer
â Bruce
Aug 26 at 10:07
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It might be messy but it is, at least, an answer
â Bruce
Aug 26 at 10:07
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It might be messy but it is, at least, an answer
â Bruce
Aug 26 at 10:07
It might be messy but it is, at least, an answer
â Bruce
Aug 26 at 10:07
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You can notice that the product resp. the sum of $x$ and $x+y$ are $c$ resp. $b$, you solve that and get a simple system in $x$ and $x+y$ and you substitute in the first equation. Pretty same ideas.
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You can notice that the product resp. the sum of $x$ and $x+y$ are $c$ resp. $b$, you solve that and get a simple system in $x$ and $x+y$ and you substitute in the first equation. Pretty same ideas.
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You can notice that the product resp. the sum of $x$ and $x+y$ are $c$ resp. $b$, you solve that and get a simple system in $x$ and $x+y$ and you substitute in the first equation. Pretty same ideas.
You can notice that the product resp. the sum of $x$ and $x+y$ are $c$ resp. $b$, you solve that and get a simple system in $x$ and $x+y$ and you substitute in the first equation. Pretty same ideas.
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I will work with 2nd and 3rd equations to solve for $x$ and $y$.
From (3) we get,
$$y=c-2x$$
Substituting the value in (2) we get,
$$x(x+(c-2x))=b$$
$$implies x^2-cx+b=0$$
$$x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b) text or, dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$$
If $x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$,then,
$$y=-sqrtc^2-4b$$
Now,we plug the values of x and y in equation in (1),
We get,
$$-dfrac14(c^2+2csqrtc^2-4b+c^2-4b)sqrtc^2-4b=a$$
And this is the required equation.
[If you use another value of $x$ then,we will get another equation like it.]
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I will work with 2nd and 3rd equations to solve for $x$ and $y$.
From (3) we get,
$$y=c-2x$$
Substituting the value in (2) we get,
$$x(x+(c-2x))=b$$
$$implies x^2-cx+b=0$$
$$x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b) text or, dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$$
If $x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$,then,
$$y=-sqrtc^2-4b$$
Now,we plug the values of x and y in equation in (1),
We get,
$$-dfrac14(c^2+2csqrtc^2-4b+c^2-4b)sqrtc^2-4b=a$$
And this is the required equation.
[If you use another value of $x$ then,we will get another equation like it.]
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I will work with 2nd and 3rd equations to solve for $x$ and $y$.
From (3) we get,
$$y=c-2x$$
Substituting the value in (2) we get,
$$x(x+(c-2x))=b$$
$$implies x^2-cx+b=0$$
$$x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b) text or, dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$$
If $x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$,then,
$$y=-sqrtc^2-4b$$
Now,we plug the values of x and y in equation in (1),
We get,
$$-dfrac14(c^2+2csqrtc^2-4b+c^2-4b)sqrtc^2-4b=a$$
And this is the required equation.
[If you use another value of $x$ then,we will get another equation like it.]
I will work with 2nd and 3rd equations to solve for $x$ and $y$.
From (3) we get,
$$y=c-2x$$
Substituting the value in (2) we get,
$$x(x+(c-2x))=b$$
$$implies x^2-cx+b=0$$
$$x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b) text or, dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$$
If $x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$,then,
$$y=-sqrtc^2-4b$$
Now,we plug the values of x and y in equation in (1),
We get,
$$-dfrac14(c^2+2csqrtc^2-4b+c^2-4b)sqrtc^2-4b=a$$
And this is the required equation.
[If you use another value of $x$ then,we will get another equation like it.]
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can you show what you have obtained currently?
â Siong Thye Goh
Aug 26 at 9:18
@SiongThyeGoh yea sure, it's not anything impressive though. I was just trying things out to see where it goes.
â William
Aug 26 at 9:20
Why not totally isolate $y$? $y=frac ax^2 = frac bx-x=c-2x$ You can use this to get rid of $x$.
â Mohammad Zuhair Khan
Aug 26 at 9:21
@MohammadZuhairKhan yes that's exactly what I tried. But that's the thing, I'm not able to get rid of both. Either $x$ stays in or $y$.
â William
Aug 26 at 9:24
Solve 2nd eqn for $y$, sub into 3rd eqn, solve that for $x$, etc.
â Gerry Myerson
Aug 26 at 9:27