How do I eliminate $x$ and $y$ from the system $x^2 y= a$, $x(x+y)= b$, $2x+y=c$ to get a single equation in $a$, $b$, $c$?

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Alright, a homework problem.



I'm stuck at this question,




Eliminate $x$ and $y$ from the given equations to get a single
equation in terms of $a$ , $b$ and $c$



$$beginalign
x^2 y &= a \
x(x+y) &= b \
2x+y &=c
endalign$$




Let me tell you what I tried, I tried to get $y$ from one equation and substitute in the other two. Turns out that I'm not able to fully get rid of both $x$ and $y$. Help please.







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    can you show what you have obtained currently?
    – Siong Thye Goh
    Aug 26 at 9:18










  • @SiongThyeGoh yea sure, it's not anything impressive though. I was just trying things out to see where it goes.
    – William
    Aug 26 at 9:20











  • Why not totally isolate $y$? $y=frac ax^2 = frac bx-x=c-2x$ You can use this to get rid of $x$.
    – Mohammad Zuhair Khan
    Aug 26 at 9:21










  • @MohammadZuhairKhan yes that's exactly what I tried. But that's the thing, I'm not able to get rid of both. Either $x$ stays in or $y$.
    – William
    Aug 26 at 9:24










  • Solve 2nd eqn for $y$, sub into 3rd eqn, solve that for $x$, etc.
    – Gerry Myerson
    Aug 26 at 9:27














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Alright, a homework problem.



I'm stuck at this question,




Eliminate $x$ and $y$ from the given equations to get a single
equation in terms of $a$ , $b$ and $c$



$$beginalign
x^2 y &= a \
x(x+y) &= b \
2x+y &=c
endalign$$




Let me tell you what I tried, I tried to get $y$ from one equation and substitute in the other two. Turns out that I'm not able to fully get rid of both $x$ and $y$. Help please.







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    can you show what you have obtained currently?
    – Siong Thye Goh
    Aug 26 at 9:18










  • @SiongThyeGoh yea sure, it's not anything impressive though. I was just trying things out to see where it goes.
    – William
    Aug 26 at 9:20











  • Why not totally isolate $y$? $y=frac ax^2 = frac bx-x=c-2x$ You can use this to get rid of $x$.
    – Mohammad Zuhair Khan
    Aug 26 at 9:21










  • @MohammadZuhairKhan yes that's exactly what I tried. But that's the thing, I'm not able to get rid of both. Either $x$ stays in or $y$.
    – William
    Aug 26 at 9:24










  • Solve 2nd eqn for $y$, sub into 3rd eqn, solve that for $x$, etc.
    – Gerry Myerson
    Aug 26 at 9:27












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Alright, a homework problem.



I'm stuck at this question,




Eliminate $x$ and $y$ from the given equations to get a single
equation in terms of $a$ , $b$ and $c$



$$beginalign
x^2 y &= a \
x(x+y) &= b \
2x+y &=c
endalign$$




Let me tell you what I tried, I tried to get $y$ from one equation and substitute in the other two. Turns out that I'm not able to fully get rid of both $x$ and $y$. Help please.







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Alright, a homework problem.



I'm stuck at this question,




Eliminate $x$ and $y$ from the given equations to get a single
equation in terms of $a$ , $b$ and $c$



$$beginalign
x^2 y &= a \
x(x+y) &= b \
2x+y &=c
endalign$$




Let me tell you what I tried, I tried to get $y$ from one equation and substitute in the other two. Turns out that I'm not able to fully get rid of both $x$ and $y$. Help please.









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    can you show what you have obtained currently?
    – Siong Thye Goh
    Aug 26 at 9:18










  • @SiongThyeGoh yea sure, it's not anything impressive though. I was just trying things out to see where it goes.
    – William
    Aug 26 at 9:20











  • Why not totally isolate $y$? $y=frac ax^2 = frac bx-x=c-2x$ You can use this to get rid of $x$.
    – Mohammad Zuhair Khan
    Aug 26 at 9:21










  • @MohammadZuhairKhan yes that's exactly what I tried. But that's the thing, I'm not able to get rid of both. Either $x$ stays in or $y$.
    – William
    Aug 26 at 9:24










  • Solve 2nd eqn for $y$, sub into 3rd eqn, solve that for $x$, etc.
    – Gerry Myerson
    Aug 26 at 9:27












  • 1




    can you show what you have obtained currently?
    – Siong Thye Goh
    Aug 26 at 9:18










  • @SiongThyeGoh yea sure, it's not anything impressive though. I was just trying things out to see where it goes.
    – William
    Aug 26 at 9:20











  • Why not totally isolate $y$? $y=frac ax^2 = frac bx-x=c-2x$ You can use this to get rid of $x$.
    – Mohammad Zuhair Khan
    Aug 26 at 9:21










  • @MohammadZuhairKhan yes that's exactly what I tried. But that's the thing, I'm not able to get rid of both. Either $x$ stays in or $y$.
    – William
    Aug 26 at 9:24










  • Solve 2nd eqn for $y$, sub into 3rd eqn, solve that for $x$, etc.
    – Gerry Myerson
    Aug 26 at 9:27







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can you show what you have obtained currently?
– Siong Thye Goh
Aug 26 at 9:18




can you show what you have obtained currently?
– Siong Thye Goh
Aug 26 at 9:18












@SiongThyeGoh yea sure, it's not anything impressive though. I was just trying things out to see where it goes.
– William
Aug 26 at 9:20





@SiongThyeGoh yea sure, it's not anything impressive though. I was just trying things out to see where it goes.
– William
Aug 26 at 9:20













Why not totally isolate $y$? $y=frac ax^2 = frac bx-x=c-2x$ You can use this to get rid of $x$.
– Mohammad Zuhair Khan
Aug 26 at 9:21




Why not totally isolate $y$? $y=frac ax^2 = frac bx-x=c-2x$ You can use this to get rid of $x$.
– Mohammad Zuhair Khan
Aug 26 at 9:21












@MohammadZuhairKhan yes that's exactly what I tried. But that's the thing, I'm not able to get rid of both. Either $x$ stays in or $y$.
– William
Aug 26 at 9:24




@MohammadZuhairKhan yes that's exactly what I tried. But that's the thing, I'm not able to get rid of both. Either $x$ stays in or $y$.
– William
Aug 26 at 9:24












Solve 2nd eqn for $y$, sub into 3rd eqn, solve that for $x$, etc.
– Gerry Myerson
Aug 26 at 9:27




Solve 2nd eqn for $y$, sub into 3rd eqn, solve that for $x$, etc.
– Gerry Myerson
Aug 26 at 9:27










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I'm confused why you say in comments that "still $y$ does not get eliminated" -- at a point in the conversation where $y$ should have disappeared long ago.



You can solve your third equation $2x+y=c$ to get $y=c-2x$. When you plug that into the two other equations you get
$$ x^2(c-2x)=a \
x(x+c-2x)= b $$
No matter what you do subsequently, there won't be any $y$s left to deal with!



What I would do at this point is put off dividing for as long as possible, so rewrite the second equation to
$$ x^2 = cx - b $$
This form lets you reduce any polynomial in $x$ to a first-degree polynomial, by repeatedly using it to eliminate the highest-degree term. We will use it to simplify the third-degree first equation. First substitute the leading $x^2$ to get
$$ (cx-b)(c-2x) = a $$
Multiply out:
$$ c^2x + 2bx - 2cx^2 - bc = a $$
and then insert $x^2=cx-b$ once again:
$$ c^2x + 2bx - 2c(cx-b) - bc = a $$
This is finally a linear equation in $x$. You can solve it without running into any square roots, and insert this value for $x$ into $x^2=cx-b$. What is left then is a rational equation in only $a$, $b$, and $c$, as desired.



Unless the coefficient of $x$ in the linear equation was $0$ (which is a case you'll need to handle separately), each step along the way was reversible, so you will know that if you have $a,b,c$ that satisfy the final equation, they will also have a solution for $x$ and $y$.






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    Combine the first and second equations to eliminate $y$:



    $x(x+fracax^2)=b$



    which tidies to



    $x^2+fracax=b$ ....... (1)



    combine the second and third equations to eliminate $y$:



    $x(x+c-2x)=b$



    which tidies to



    $x^2-cx+b=0$



    solving this quadratic gives



    $x=fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2$



    which you can substitute into equation (1):



    $left(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)^2+fracaleft(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)=b$






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      It might be messy but it is, at least, an answer
      – Bruce
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    You can notice that the product resp. the sum of $x$ and $x+y$ are $c$ resp. $b$, you solve that and get a simple system in $x$ and $x+y$ and you substitute in the first equation. Pretty same ideas.






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      I will work with 2nd and 3rd equations to solve for $x$ and $y$.



      From (3) we get,
      $$y=c-2x$$
      Substituting the value in (2) we get,
      $$x(x+(c-2x))=b$$
      $$implies x^2-cx+b=0$$
      $$x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b) text or, dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$$
      If $x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$,then,
      $$y=-sqrtc^2-4b$$



      Now,we plug the values of x and y in equation in (1),
      We get,



      $$-dfrac14(c^2+2csqrtc^2-4b+c^2-4b)sqrtc^2-4b=a$$
      And this is the required equation.



      [If you use another value of $x$ then,we will get another equation like it.]






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        I'm confused why you say in comments that "still $y$ does not get eliminated" -- at a point in the conversation where $y$ should have disappeared long ago.



        You can solve your third equation $2x+y=c$ to get $y=c-2x$. When you plug that into the two other equations you get
        $$ x^2(c-2x)=a \
        x(x+c-2x)= b $$
        No matter what you do subsequently, there won't be any $y$s left to deal with!



        What I would do at this point is put off dividing for as long as possible, so rewrite the second equation to
        $$ x^2 = cx - b $$
        This form lets you reduce any polynomial in $x$ to a first-degree polynomial, by repeatedly using it to eliminate the highest-degree term. We will use it to simplify the third-degree first equation. First substitute the leading $x^2$ to get
        $$ (cx-b)(c-2x) = a $$
        Multiply out:
        $$ c^2x + 2bx - 2cx^2 - bc = a $$
        and then insert $x^2=cx-b$ once again:
        $$ c^2x + 2bx - 2c(cx-b) - bc = a $$
        This is finally a linear equation in $x$. You can solve it without running into any square roots, and insert this value for $x$ into $x^2=cx-b$. What is left then is a rational equation in only $a$, $b$, and $c$, as desired.



        Unless the coefficient of $x$ in the linear equation was $0$ (which is a case you'll need to handle separately), each step along the way was reversible, so you will know that if you have $a,b,c$ that satisfy the final equation, they will also have a solution for $x$ and $y$.






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          I'm confused why you say in comments that "still $y$ does not get eliminated" -- at a point in the conversation where $y$ should have disappeared long ago.



          You can solve your third equation $2x+y=c$ to get $y=c-2x$. When you plug that into the two other equations you get
          $$ x^2(c-2x)=a \
          x(x+c-2x)= b $$
          No matter what you do subsequently, there won't be any $y$s left to deal with!



          What I would do at this point is put off dividing for as long as possible, so rewrite the second equation to
          $$ x^2 = cx - b $$
          This form lets you reduce any polynomial in $x$ to a first-degree polynomial, by repeatedly using it to eliminate the highest-degree term. We will use it to simplify the third-degree first equation. First substitute the leading $x^2$ to get
          $$ (cx-b)(c-2x) = a $$
          Multiply out:
          $$ c^2x + 2bx - 2cx^2 - bc = a $$
          and then insert $x^2=cx-b$ once again:
          $$ c^2x + 2bx - 2c(cx-b) - bc = a $$
          This is finally a linear equation in $x$. You can solve it without running into any square roots, and insert this value for $x$ into $x^2=cx-b$. What is left then is a rational equation in only $a$, $b$, and $c$, as desired.



          Unless the coefficient of $x$ in the linear equation was $0$ (which is a case you'll need to handle separately), each step along the way was reversible, so you will know that if you have $a,b,c$ that satisfy the final equation, they will also have a solution for $x$ and $y$.






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            I'm confused why you say in comments that "still $y$ does not get eliminated" -- at a point in the conversation where $y$ should have disappeared long ago.



            You can solve your third equation $2x+y=c$ to get $y=c-2x$. When you plug that into the two other equations you get
            $$ x^2(c-2x)=a \
            x(x+c-2x)= b $$
            No matter what you do subsequently, there won't be any $y$s left to deal with!



            What I would do at this point is put off dividing for as long as possible, so rewrite the second equation to
            $$ x^2 = cx - b $$
            This form lets you reduce any polynomial in $x$ to a first-degree polynomial, by repeatedly using it to eliminate the highest-degree term. We will use it to simplify the third-degree first equation. First substitute the leading $x^2$ to get
            $$ (cx-b)(c-2x) = a $$
            Multiply out:
            $$ c^2x + 2bx - 2cx^2 - bc = a $$
            and then insert $x^2=cx-b$ once again:
            $$ c^2x + 2bx - 2c(cx-b) - bc = a $$
            This is finally a linear equation in $x$. You can solve it without running into any square roots, and insert this value for $x$ into $x^2=cx-b$. What is left then is a rational equation in only $a$, $b$, and $c$, as desired.



            Unless the coefficient of $x$ in the linear equation was $0$ (which is a case you'll need to handle separately), each step along the way was reversible, so you will know that if you have $a,b,c$ that satisfy the final equation, they will also have a solution for $x$ and $y$.






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            I'm confused why you say in comments that "still $y$ does not get eliminated" -- at a point in the conversation where $y$ should have disappeared long ago.



            You can solve your third equation $2x+y=c$ to get $y=c-2x$. When you plug that into the two other equations you get
            $$ x^2(c-2x)=a \
            x(x+c-2x)= b $$
            No matter what you do subsequently, there won't be any $y$s left to deal with!



            What I would do at this point is put off dividing for as long as possible, so rewrite the second equation to
            $$ x^2 = cx - b $$
            This form lets you reduce any polynomial in $x$ to a first-degree polynomial, by repeatedly using it to eliminate the highest-degree term. We will use it to simplify the third-degree first equation. First substitute the leading $x^2$ to get
            $$ (cx-b)(c-2x) = a $$
            Multiply out:
            $$ c^2x + 2bx - 2cx^2 - bc = a $$
            and then insert $x^2=cx-b$ once again:
            $$ c^2x + 2bx - 2c(cx-b) - bc = a $$
            This is finally a linear equation in $x$. You can solve it without running into any square roots, and insert this value for $x$ into $x^2=cx-b$. What is left then is a rational equation in only $a$, $b$, and $c$, as desired.



            Unless the coefficient of $x$ in the linear equation was $0$ (which is a case you'll need to handle separately), each step along the way was reversible, so you will know that if you have $a,b,c$ that satisfy the final equation, they will also have a solution for $x$ and $y$.







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                Combine the first and second equations to eliminate $y$:



                $x(x+fracax^2)=b$



                which tidies to



                $x^2+fracax=b$ ....... (1)



                combine the second and third equations to eliminate $y$:



                $x(x+c-2x)=b$



                which tidies to



                $x^2-cx+b=0$



                solving this quadratic gives



                $x=fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2$



                which you can substitute into equation (1):



                $left(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)^2+fracaleft(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)=b$






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                  It might be messy but it is, at least, an answer
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                Combine the first and second equations to eliminate $y$:



                $x(x+fracax^2)=b$



                which tidies to



                $x^2+fracax=b$ ....... (1)



                combine the second and third equations to eliminate $y$:



                $x(x+c-2x)=b$



                which tidies to



                $x^2-cx+b=0$



                solving this quadratic gives



                $x=fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2$



                which you can substitute into equation (1):



                $left(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)^2+fracaleft(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)=b$






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                  It might be messy but it is, at least, an answer
                  – Bruce
                  Aug 26 at 10:07












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                Combine the first and second equations to eliminate $y$:



                $x(x+fracax^2)=b$



                which tidies to



                $x^2+fracax=b$ ....... (1)



                combine the second and third equations to eliminate $y$:



                $x(x+c-2x)=b$



                which tidies to



                $x^2-cx+b=0$



                solving this quadratic gives



                $x=fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2$



                which you can substitute into equation (1):



                $left(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)^2+fracaleft(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)=b$






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                Combine the first and second equations to eliminate $y$:



                $x(x+fracax^2)=b$



                which tidies to



                $x^2+fracax=b$ ....... (1)



                combine the second and third equations to eliminate $y$:



                $x(x+c-2x)=b$



                which tidies to



                $x^2-cx+b=0$



                solving this quadratic gives



                $x=fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2$



                which you can substitute into equation (1):



                $left(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)^2+fracaleft(fracc pm sqrtc^2-4b2right)=b$







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                  It might be messy but it is, at least, an answer
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                  It might be messy but it is, at least, an answer
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                It might be messy but it is, at least, an answer
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                Aug 26 at 10:07




                It might be messy but it is, at least, an answer
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                You can notice that the product resp. the sum of $x$ and $x+y$ are $c$ resp. $b$, you solve that and get a simple system in $x$ and $x+y$ and you substitute in the first equation. Pretty same ideas.






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                  You can notice that the product resp. the sum of $x$ and $x+y$ are $c$ resp. $b$, you solve that and get a simple system in $x$ and $x+y$ and you substitute in the first equation. Pretty same ideas.






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                    You can notice that the product resp. the sum of $x$ and $x+y$ are $c$ resp. $b$, you solve that and get a simple system in $x$ and $x+y$ and you substitute in the first equation. Pretty same ideas.






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                    You can notice that the product resp. the sum of $x$ and $x+y$ are $c$ resp. $b$, you solve that and get a simple system in $x$ and $x+y$ and you substitute in the first equation. Pretty same ideas.







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                        I will work with 2nd and 3rd equations to solve for $x$ and $y$.



                        From (3) we get,
                        $$y=c-2x$$
                        Substituting the value in (2) we get,
                        $$x(x+(c-2x))=b$$
                        $$implies x^2-cx+b=0$$
                        $$x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b) text or, dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$$
                        If $x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$,then,
                        $$y=-sqrtc^2-4b$$



                        Now,we plug the values of x and y in equation in (1),
                        We get,



                        $$-dfrac14(c^2+2csqrtc^2-4b+c^2-4b)sqrtc^2-4b=a$$
                        And this is the required equation.



                        [If you use another value of $x$ then,we will get another equation like it.]






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                          I will work with 2nd and 3rd equations to solve for $x$ and $y$.



                          From (3) we get,
                          $$y=c-2x$$
                          Substituting the value in (2) we get,
                          $$x(x+(c-2x))=b$$
                          $$implies x^2-cx+b=0$$
                          $$x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b) text or, dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$$
                          If $x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$,then,
                          $$y=-sqrtc^2-4b$$



                          Now,we plug the values of x and y in equation in (1),
                          We get,



                          $$-dfrac14(c^2+2csqrtc^2-4b+c^2-4b)sqrtc^2-4b=a$$
                          And this is the required equation.



                          [If you use another value of $x$ then,we will get another equation like it.]






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                            I will work with 2nd and 3rd equations to solve for $x$ and $y$.



                            From (3) we get,
                            $$y=c-2x$$
                            Substituting the value in (2) we get,
                            $$x(x+(c-2x))=b$$
                            $$implies x^2-cx+b=0$$
                            $$x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b) text or, dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$$
                            If $x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$,then,
                            $$y=-sqrtc^2-4b$$



                            Now,we plug the values of x and y in equation in (1),
                            We get,



                            $$-dfrac14(c^2+2csqrtc^2-4b+c^2-4b)sqrtc^2-4b=a$$
                            And this is the required equation.



                            [If you use another value of $x$ then,we will get another equation like it.]






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                            I will work with 2nd and 3rd equations to solve for $x$ and $y$.



                            From (3) we get,
                            $$y=c-2x$$
                            Substituting the value in (2) we get,
                            $$x(x+(c-2x))=b$$
                            $$implies x^2-cx+b=0$$
                            $$x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b) text or, dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$$
                            If $x=dfrac12(c+sqrtc^2-4b)$,then,
                            $$y=-sqrtc^2-4b$$



                            Now,we plug the values of x and y in equation in (1),
                            We get,



                            $$-dfrac14(c^2+2csqrtc^2-4b+c^2-4b)sqrtc^2-4b=a$$
                            And this is the required equation.



                            [If you use another value of $x$ then,we will get another equation like it.]







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