How to determine the value of $f(x)$ if we know $f'(x)$? (Concrete example in the text)
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Let
$f(x) = 21/x$
$f'(x) = -21/x^2$
So $f(4) = 5.25$ and $f'(4)= -frac2116$
Is there a way, and if yes, how to calculate $f(3)$ if we only know $f(4)$ and $f'(x)$ without calculating with the original $f(x)$ function ?
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Let
$f(x) = 21/x$
$f'(x) = -21/x^2$
So $f(4) = 5.25$ and $f'(4)= -frac2116$
Is there a way, and if yes, how to calculate $f(3)$ if we only know $f(4)$ and $f'(x)$ without calculating with the original $f(x)$ function ?
calculus derivatives
Are you referring to that particular function or are you looking for a general case?
â gimusi
Aug 26 at 10:08
Why are you asking that ?
â Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:12
Is $f$ defined in an interval (conncted set )?
â dmtri
Aug 26 at 10:21
Your question is a little contradictory. You want to compute $f(3)$ without computing $f(x)$. So what do you precisely mean by "without calculating with the original function" ??
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Aug 26 at 10:27
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Let
$f(x) = 21/x$
$f'(x) = -21/x^2$
So $f(4) = 5.25$ and $f'(4)= -frac2116$
Is there a way, and if yes, how to calculate $f(3)$ if we only know $f(4)$ and $f'(x)$ without calculating with the original $f(x)$ function ?
calculus derivatives
Let
$f(x) = 21/x$
$f'(x) = -21/x^2$
So $f(4) = 5.25$ and $f'(4)= -frac2116$
Is there a way, and if yes, how to calculate $f(3)$ if we only know $f(4)$ and $f'(x)$ without calculating with the original $f(x)$ function ?
calculus derivatives
edited Aug 26 at 10:39
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Are you referring to that particular function or are you looking for a general case?
â gimusi
Aug 26 at 10:08
Why are you asking that ?
â Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:12
Is $f$ defined in an interval (conncted set )?
â dmtri
Aug 26 at 10:21
Your question is a little contradictory. You want to compute $f(3)$ without computing $f(x)$. So what do you precisely mean by "without calculating with the original function" ??
â Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:27
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Are you referring to that particular function or are you looking for a general case?
â gimusi
Aug 26 at 10:08
Why are you asking that ?
â Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:12
Is $f$ defined in an interval (conncted set )?
â dmtri
Aug 26 at 10:21
Your question is a little contradictory. You want to compute $f(3)$ without computing $f(x)$. So what do you precisely mean by "without calculating with the original function" ??
â Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:27
Are you referring to that particular function or are you looking for a general case?
â gimusi
Aug 26 at 10:08
Are you referring to that particular function or are you looking for a general case?
â gimusi
Aug 26 at 10:08
Why are you asking that ?
â Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:12
Why are you asking that ?
â Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:12
Is $f$ defined in an interval (conncted set )?
â dmtri
Aug 26 at 10:21
Is $f$ defined in an interval (conncted set )?
â dmtri
Aug 26 at 10:21
Your question is a little contradictory. You want to compute $f(3)$ without computing $f(x)$. So what do you precisely mean by "without calculating with the original function" ??
â Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:27
Your question is a little contradictory. You want to compute $f(3)$ without computing $f(x)$. So what do you precisely mean by "without calculating with the original function" ??
â Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:27
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If we know $f'(x)$ and $f(4)$ we have that
$$f(x)=f(4)+int_4^x f'(t) dt$$
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The answer is no.
We can integrate $f'(x)$ to find $f(x)$ up to a constant and we use $f(4)$ to find the constant.
For example if $f'(x) = x^3+1$, then $f(x)= x^4/4+x+c$
If we know that $f(4) = 65$, we have $f(4)= 4^4/4+4+c=65$ which implies, $c=-3$ and $f(x)=x^4/4+x-3$
Now you can find $f(3)=81/4$
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What you have is called a differential equation, i.e. you have an equation that involves a function and its derivative.
Technically, the solution is obtained using an integral,
$$f(3)=f(4)+int_4^3 f'(x),dx$$
but this is essentially a way to retrieve the function $f(x)$ so I would tend to answer no to your question.
Anyway, there are so-called numerical methods that allow you to estimate the integral without building an analytical expression for the function and can return an approximation of $f(3)$ as the output of an algorithm.
@ArnaudMortier: I am not. Fixed.
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3 Answers
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3 Answers
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If we know $f'(x)$ and $f(4)$ we have that
$$f(x)=f(4)+int_4^x f'(t) dt$$
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If we know $f'(x)$ and $f(4)$ we have that
$$f(x)=f(4)+int_4^x f'(t) dt$$
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If we know $f'(x)$ and $f(4)$ we have that
$$f(x)=f(4)+int_4^x f'(t) dt$$
If we know $f'(x)$ and $f(4)$ we have that
$$f(x)=f(4)+int_4^x f'(t) dt$$
answered Aug 26 at 10:06
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The answer is no.
We can integrate $f'(x)$ to find $f(x)$ up to a constant and we use $f(4)$ to find the constant.
For example if $f'(x) = x^3+1$, then $f(x)= x^4/4+x+c$
If we know that $f(4) = 65$, we have $f(4)= 4^4/4+4+c=65$ which implies, $c=-3$ and $f(x)=x^4/4+x-3$
Now you can find $f(3)=81/4$
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up vote
1
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The answer is no.
We can integrate $f'(x)$ to find $f(x)$ up to a constant and we use $f(4)$ to find the constant.
For example if $f'(x) = x^3+1$, then $f(x)= x^4/4+x+c$
If we know that $f(4) = 65$, we have $f(4)= 4^4/4+4+c=65$ which implies, $c=-3$ and $f(x)=x^4/4+x-3$
Now you can find $f(3)=81/4$
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up vote
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up vote
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The answer is no.
We can integrate $f'(x)$ to find $f(x)$ up to a constant and we use $f(4)$ to find the constant.
For example if $f'(x) = x^3+1$, then $f(x)= x^4/4+x+c$
If we know that $f(4) = 65$, we have $f(4)= 4^4/4+4+c=65$ which implies, $c=-3$ and $f(x)=x^4/4+x-3$
Now you can find $f(3)=81/4$
The answer is no.
We can integrate $f'(x)$ to find $f(x)$ up to a constant and we use $f(4)$ to find the constant.
For example if $f'(x) = x^3+1$, then $f(x)= x^4/4+x+c$
If we know that $f(4) = 65$, we have $f(4)= 4^4/4+4+c=65$ which implies, $c=-3$ and $f(x)=x^4/4+x-3$
Now you can find $f(3)=81/4$
answered Aug 26 at 10:17
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What you have is called a differential equation, i.e. you have an equation that involves a function and its derivative.
Technically, the solution is obtained using an integral,
$$f(3)=f(4)+int_4^3 f'(x),dx$$
but this is essentially a way to retrieve the function $f(x)$ so I would tend to answer no to your question.
Anyway, there are so-called numerical methods that allow you to estimate the integral without building an analytical expression for the function and can return an approximation of $f(3)$ as the output of an algorithm.
@ArnaudMortier: I am not. Fixed.
â Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:24
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
What you have is called a differential equation, i.e. you have an equation that involves a function and its derivative.
Technically, the solution is obtained using an integral,
$$f(3)=f(4)+int_4^3 f'(x),dx$$
but this is essentially a way to retrieve the function $f(x)$ so I would tend to answer no to your question.
Anyway, there are so-called numerical methods that allow you to estimate the integral without building an analytical expression for the function and can return an approximation of $f(3)$ as the output of an algorithm.
@ArnaudMortier: I am not. Fixed.
â Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:24
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
What you have is called a differential equation, i.e. you have an equation that involves a function and its derivative.
Technically, the solution is obtained using an integral,
$$f(3)=f(4)+int_4^3 f'(x),dx$$
but this is essentially a way to retrieve the function $f(x)$ so I would tend to answer no to your question.
Anyway, there are so-called numerical methods that allow you to estimate the integral without building an analytical expression for the function and can return an approximation of $f(3)$ as the output of an algorithm.
What you have is called a differential equation, i.e. you have an equation that involves a function and its derivative.
Technically, the solution is obtained using an integral,
$$f(3)=f(4)+int_4^3 f'(x),dx$$
but this is essentially a way to retrieve the function $f(x)$ so I would tend to answer no to your question.
Anyway, there are so-called numerical methods that allow you to estimate the integral without building an analytical expression for the function and can return an approximation of $f(3)$ as the output of an algorithm.
edited Aug 26 at 10:24
answered Aug 26 at 10:10
Yves Daoust
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@ArnaudMortier: I am not. Fixed.
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Aug 26 at 10:24
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@ArnaudMortier: I am not. Fixed.
â Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:24
@ArnaudMortier: I am not. Fixed.
â Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:24
@ArnaudMortier: I am not. Fixed.
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Aug 26 at 10:24
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Are you referring to that particular function or are you looking for a general case?
â gimusi
Aug 26 at 10:08
Why are you asking that ?
â Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:12
Is $f$ defined in an interval (conncted set )?
â dmtri
Aug 26 at 10:21
Your question is a little contradictory. You want to compute $f(3)$ without computing $f(x)$. So what do you precisely mean by "without calculating with the original function" ??
â Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:27