How to determine the value of $f(x)$ if we know $f'(x)$? (Concrete example in the text)

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Let



$f(x) = 21/x$



$f'(x) = -21/x^2$



So $f(4) = 5.25$ and $f'(4)= -frac2116$



Is there a way, and if yes, how to calculate $f(3)$ if we only know $f(4)$ and $f'(x)$ without calculating with the original $f(x)$ function ?







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  • Are you referring to that particular function or are you looking for a general case?
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  • Why are you asking that ?
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    Aug 26 at 10:12










  • Is $f$ defined in an interval (conncted set )?
    – dmtri
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  • Your question is a little contradictory. You want to compute $f(3)$ without computing $f(x)$. So what do you precisely mean by "without calculating with the original function" ??
    – Yves Daoust
    Aug 26 at 10:27















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Let



$f(x) = 21/x$



$f'(x) = -21/x^2$



So $f(4) = 5.25$ and $f'(4)= -frac2116$



Is there a way, and if yes, how to calculate $f(3)$ if we only know $f(4)$ and $f'(x)$ without calculating with the original $f(x)$ function ?







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  • Are you referring to that particular function or are you looking for a general case?
    – gimusi
    Aug 26 at 10:08










  • Why are you asking that ?
    – Yves Daoust
    Aug 26 at 10:12










  • Is $f$ defined in an interval (conncted set )?
    – dmtri
    Aug 26 at 10:21










  • Your question is a little contradictory. You want to compute $f(3)$ without computing $f(x)$. So what do you precisely mean by "without calculating with the original function" ??
    – Yves Daoust
    Aug 26 at 10:27













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Let



$f(x) = 21/x$



$f'(x) = -21/x^2$



So $f(4) = 5.25$ and $f'(4)= -frac2116$



Is there a way, and if yes, how to calculate $f(3)$ if we only know $f(4)$ and $f'(x)$ without calculating with the original $f(x)$ function ?







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Let



$f(x) = 21/x$



$f'(x) = -21/x^2$



So $f(4) = 5.25$ and $f'(4)= -frac2116$



Is there a way, and if yes, how to calculate $f(3)$ if we only know $f(4)$ and $f'(x)$ without calculating with the original $f(x)$ function ?









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  • Are you referring to that particular function or are you looking for a general case?
    – gimusi
    Aug 26 at 10:08










  • Why are you asking that ?
    – Yves Daoust
    Aug 26 at 10:12










  • Is $f$ defined in an interval (conncted set )?
    – dmtri
    Aug 26 at 10:21










  • Your question is a little contradictory. You want to compute $f(3)$ without computing $f(x)$. So what do you precisely mean by "without calculating with the original function" ??
    – Yves Daoust
    Aug 26 at 10:27

















  • Are you referring to that particular function or are you looking for a general case?
    – gimusi
    Aug 26 at 10:08










  • Why are you asking that ?
    – Yves Daoust
    Aug 26 at 10:12










  • Is $f$ defined in an interval (conncted set )?
    – dmtri
    Aug 26 at 10:21










  • Your question is a little contradictory. You want to compute $f(3)$ without computing $f(x)$. So what do you precisely mean by "without calculating with the original function" ??
    – Yves Daoust
    Aug 26 at 10:27
















Are you referring to that particular function or are you looking for a general case?
– gimusi
Aug 26 at 10:08




Are you referring to that particular function or are you looking for a general case?
– gimusi
Aug 26 at 10:08












Why are you asking that ?
– Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:12




Why are you asking that ?
– Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:12












Is $f$ defined in an interval (conncted set )?
– dmtri
Aug 26 at 10:21




Is $f$ defined in an interval (conncted set )?
– dmtri
Aug 26 at 10:21












Your question is a little contradictory. You want to compute $f(3)$ without computing $f(x)$. So what do you precisely mean by "without calculating with the original function" ??
– Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:27





Your question is a little contradictory. You want to compute $f(3)$ without computing $f(x)$. So what do you precisely mean by "without calculating with the original function" ??
– Yves Daoust
Aug 26 at 10:27











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If we know $f'(x)$ and $f(4)$ we have that



$$f(x)=f(4)+int_4^x f'(t) dt$$






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    The answer is no.



    We can integrate $f'(x)$ to find $f(x)$ up to a constant and we use $f(4)$ to find the constant.



    For example if $f'(x) = x^3+1$, then $f(x)= x^4/4+x+c$



    If we know that $f(4) = 65$, we have $f(4)= 4^4/4+4+c=65$ which implies, $c=-3$ and $f(x)=x^4/4+x-3$



    Now you can find $f(3)=81/4$






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      What you have is called a differential equation, i.e. you have an equation that involves a function and its derivative.



      Technically, the solution is obtained using an integral,



      $$f(3)=f(4)+int_4^3 f'(x),dx$$



      but this is essentially a way to retrieve the function $f(x)$ so I would tend to answer no to your question.




      Anyway, there are so-called numerical methods that allow you to estimate the integral without building an analytical expression for the function and can return an approximation of $f(3)$ as the output of an algorithm.






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      If we know $f'(x)$ and $f(4)$ we have that



      $$f(x)=f(4)+int_4^x f'(t) dt$$






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        If we know $f'(x)$ and $f(4)$ we have that



        $$f(x)=f(4)+int_4^x f'(t) dt$$






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          If we know $f'(x)$ and $f(4)$ we have that



          $$f(x)=f(4)+int_4^x f'(t) dt$$






          share|cite|improve this answer












          If we know $f'(x)$ and $f(4)$ we have that



          $$f(x)=f(4)+int_4^x f'(t) dt$$







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              The answer is no.



              We can integrate $f'(x)$ to find $f(x)$ up to a constant and we use $f(4)$ to find the constant.



              For example if $f'(x) = x^3+1$, then $f(x)= x^4/4+x+c$



              If we know that $f(4) = 65$, we have $f(4)= 4^4/4+4+c=65$ which implies, $c=-3$ and $f(x)=x^4/4+x-3$



              Now you can find $f(3)=81/4$






              share|cite|improve this answer
























                up vote
                1
                down vote













                The answer is no.



                We can integrate $f'(x)$ to find $f(x)$ up to a constant and we use $f(4)$ to find the constant.



                For example if $f'(x) = x^3+1$, then $f(x)= x^4/4+x+c$



                If we know that $f(4) = 65$, we have $f(4)= 4^4/4+4+c=65$ which implies, $c=-3$ and $f(x)=x^4/4+x-3$



                Now you can find $f(3)=81/4$






                share|cite|improve this answer






















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                  up vote
                  1
                  down vote









                  The answer is no.



                  We can integrate $f'(x)$ to find $f(x)$ up to a constant and we use $f(4)$ to find the constant.



                  For example if $f'(x) = x^3+1$, then $f(x)= x^4/4+x+c$



                  If we know that $f(4) = 65$, we have $f(4)= 4^4/4+4+c=65$ which implies, $c=-3$ and $f(x)=x^4/4+x-3$



                  Now you can find $f(3)=81/4$






                  share|cite|improve this answer












                  The answer is no.



                  We can integrate $f'(x)$ to find $f(x)$ up to a constant and we use $f(4)$ to find the constant.



                  For example if $f'(x) = x^3+1$, then $f(x)= x^4/4+x+c$



                  If we know that $f(4) = 65$, we have $f(4)= 4^4/4+4+c=65$ which implies, $c=-3$ and $f(x)=x^4/4+x-3$



                  Now you can find $f(3)=81/4$







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                      What you have is called a differential equation, i.e. you have an equation that involves a function and its derivative.



                      Technically, the solution is obtained using an integral,



                      $$f(3)=f(4)+int_4^3 f'(x),dx$$



                      but this is essentially a way to retrieve the function $f(x)$ so I would tend to answer no to your question.




                      Anyway, there are so-called numerical methods that allow you to estimate the integral without building an analytical expression for the function and can return an approximation of $f(3)$ as the output of an algorithm.






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                      • @ArnaudMortier: I am not. Fixed.
                        – Yves Daoust
                        Aug 26 at 10:24














                      up vote
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                      down vote













                      What you have is called a differential equation, i.e. you have an equation that involves a function and its derivative.



                      Technically, the solution is obtained using an integral,



                      $$f(3)=f(4)+int_4^3 f'(x),dx$$



                      but this is essentially a way to retrieve the function $f(x)$ so I would tend to answer no to your question.




                      Anyway, there are so-called numerical methods that allow you to estimate the integral without building an analytical expression for the function and can return an approximation of $f(3)$ as the output of an algorithm.






                      share|cite|improve this answer






















                      • @ArnaudMortier: I am not. Fixed.
                        – Yves Daoust
                        Aug 26 at 10:24












                      up vote
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                      down vote










                      up vote
                      0
                      down vote









                      What you have is called a differential equation, i.e. you have an equation that involves a function and its derivative.



                      Technically, the solution is obtained using an integral,



                      $$f(3)=f(4)+int_4^3 f'(x),dx$$



                      but this is essentially a way to retrieve the function $f(x)$ so I would tend to answer no to your question.




                      Anyway, there are so-called numerical methods that allow you to estimate the integral without building an analytical expression for the function and can return an approximation of $f(3)$ as the output of an algorithm.






                      share|cite|improve this answer














                      What you have is called a differential equation, i.e. you have an equation that involves a function and its derivative.



                      Technically, the solution is obtained using an integral,



                      $$f(3)=f(4)+int_4^3 f'(x),dx$$



                      but this is essentially a way to retrieve the function $f(x)$ so I would tend to answer no to your question.




                      Anyway, there are so-called numerical methods that allow you to estimate the integral without building an analytical expression for the function and can return an approximation of $f(3)$ as the output of an algorithm.







                      share|cite|improve this answer














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                      • @ArnaudMortier: I am not. Fixed.
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