$5$ real numbers tied by two equations: understanding a proof of the related problem.

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If $a,b,c,d,e$ are real numbers such that
$$
left{
beginarraylcl
phantom040-e &=& a+b+c+d, \
400-e^2 &=& a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2,
endarray
right.
$$
find $max(e)$.




In the solution provided, I don't understand equation $(1)$:




We know that
beginalign*
(40-e)^2
&= (a+b+c+d)^2 \
&= a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2 + 2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd).
endalign*
Now note that $2xyleq x^2+y^2$ for all reals $x,y$. Hence
$$
(40-e)^2 leq 4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2).
tag1
$$




I understand why $2xyleq x^2+y^2$, but I'm not sure how the author derives the above inequality. $4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)$ doesn't seem to represent the sum of two squares. The way the proof is worded so far implies this is obvious, so I think I'm clearly missing something. An explanation as to why the above inequality is true would be very much appreciated.







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    If $a,b,c,d,e$ are real numbers such that
    $$
    left{
    beginarraylcl
    phantom040-e &=& a+b+c+d, \
    400-e^2 &=& a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2,
    endarray
    right.
    $$
    find $max(e)$.




    In the solution provided, I don't understand equation $(1)$:




    We know that
    beginalign*
    (40-e)^2
    &= (a+b+c+d)^2 \
    &= a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2 + 2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd).
    endalign*
    Now note that $2xyleq x^2+y^2$ for all reals $x,y$. Hence
    $$
    (40-e)^2 leq 4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2).
    tag1
    $$




    I understand why $2xyleq x^2+y^2$, but I'm not sure how the author derives the above inequality. $4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)$ doesn't seem to represent the sum of two squares. The way the proof is worded so far implies this is obvious, so I think I'm clearly missing something. An explanation as to why the above inequality is true would be very much appreciated.







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      If $a,b,c,d,e$ are real numbers such that
      $$
      left{
      beginarraylcl
      phantom040-e &=& a+b+c+d, \
      400-e^2 &=& a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2,
      endarray
      right.
      $$
      find $max(e)$.




      In the solution provided, I don't understand equation $(1)$:




      We know that
      beginalign*
      (40-e)^2
      &= (a+b+c+d)^2 \
      &= a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2 + 2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd).
      endalign*
      Now note that $2xyleq x^2+y^2$ for all reals $x,y$. Hence
      $$
      (40-e)^2 leq 4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2).
      tag1
      $$




      I understand why $2xyleq x^2+y^2$, but I'm not sure how the author derives the above inequality. $4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)$ doesn't seem to represent the sum of two squares. The way the proof is worded so far implies this is obvious, so I think I'm clearly missing something. An explanation as to why the above inequality is true would be very much appreciated.







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      If $a,b,c,d,e$ are real numbers such that
      $$
      left{
      beginarraylcl
      phantom040-e &=& a+b+c+d, \
      400-e^2 &=& a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2,
      endarray
      right.
      $$
      find $max(e)$.




      In the solution provided, I don't understand equation $(1)$:




      We know that
      beginalign*
      (40-e)^2
      &= (a+b+c+d)^2 \
      &= a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2 + 2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd).
      endalign*
      Now note that $2xyleq x^2+y^2$ for all reals $x,y$. Hence
      $$
      (40-e)^2 leq 4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2).
      tag1
      $$




      I understand why $2xyleq x^2+y^2$, but I'm not sure how the author derives the above inequality. $4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)$ doesn't seem to represent the sum of two squares. The way the proof is worded so far implies this is obvious, so I think I'm clearly missing something. An explanation as to why the above inequality is true would be very much appreciated.









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      edited Aug 26 at 12:49









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          He is using it for $$2ab leq a^2+b^2$$ $$2ac leq a^2+c^2$$ $$2ad leq a^2+d^2$$ $$2bc leq b^2+c^2$$ $$2bd leq b^2+d^2$$ and $$2cd leq c^2+d^2$$






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          • As per your answer, summing all these inequalities yields $$3(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)geq 2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd)$$ so $$(40-e)^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2+2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd)leq 4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)$$ For a continuation, we know that $4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)=4(400-e^2)=1600-4e^2, $ hence $1600-80-e^2leq 1600-4e^2$. So $5e^2leq 80eimplies eleq 16$. Therefore, $max(e)=16$. Thank you very much!
            – user
            Aug 26 at 12:50











          • Apart from some little typos, it is correct. But it only proves $e leq 16$, in order to prove $max(e)=16$ you should also provide some $(a,b,c,d,e)$ for which $e=16$ and the other two equalities are satisfied.
            – LucaMac
            Aug 26 at 12:54










          • You're right, $a=b=c=d=6$ works.
            – user
            Aug 26 at 12:56

















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          You must write $$2able a^2+b^2$$ and so on.






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            I think the following way is much more better.



            By C-S $$400-e^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2=frac14(1+1+1+1)(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)geq$$
            $$geqfrac14(a+b+c+d)^2=frac14(40-e)^2,$$
            which gives $0leq eleq16.$



            The equality occurs for $(a,b,c,d,e)=(6,6,6,6,16),$ which says that $16$ is a maximal value.






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            • There's also a neat solution using Jensen, but this is cool!
              – user
              Aug 26 at 13:27











            • Yes, Jensen for $f(x)=x^2.$
              – Michael Rozenberg
              Aug 26 at 13:31










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            He is using it for $$2ab leq a^2+b^2$$ $$2ac leq a^2+c^2$$ $$2ad leq a^2+d^2$$ $$2bc leq b^2+c^2$$ $$2bd leq b^2+d^2$$ and $$2cd leq c^2+d^2$$






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            • As per your answer, summing all these inequalities yields $$3(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)geq 2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd)$$ so $$(40-e)^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2+2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd)leq 4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)$$ For a continuation, we know that $4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)=4(400-e^2)=1600-4e^2, $ hence $1600-80-e^2leq 1600-4e^2$. So $5e^2leq 80eimplies eleq 16$. Therefore, $max(e)=16$. Thank you very much!
              – user
              Aug 26 at 12:50











            • Apart from some little typos, it is correct. But it only proves $e leq 16$, in order to prove $max(e)=16$ you should also provide some $(a,b,c,d,e)$ for which $e=16$ and the other two equalities are satisfied.
              – LucaMac
              Aug 26 at 12:54










            • You're right, $a=b=c=d=6$ works.
              – user
              Aug 26 at 12:56














            up vote
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            He is using it for $$2ab leq a^2+b^2$$ $$2ac leq a^2+c^2$$ $$2ad leq a^2+d^2$$ $$2bc leq b^2+c^2$$ $$2bd leq b^2+d^2$$ and $$2cd leq c^2+d^2$$






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            • As per your answer, summing all these inequalities yields $$3(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)geq 2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd)$$ so $$(40-e)^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2+2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd)leq 4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)$$ For a continuation, we know that $4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)=4(400-e^2)=1600-4e^2, $ hence $1600-80-e^2leq 1600-4e^2$. So $5e^2leq 80eimplies eleq 16$. Therefore, $max(e)=16$. Thank you very much!
              – user
              Aug 26 at 12:50











            • Apart from some little typos, it is correct. But it only proves $e leq 16$, in order to prove $max(e)=16$ you should also provide some $(a,b,c,d,e)$ for which $e=16$ and the other two equalities are satisfied.
              – LucaMac
              Aug 26 at 12:54










            • You're right, $a=b=c=d=6$ works.
              – user
              Aug 26 at 12:56












            up vote
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            up vote
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            He is using it for $$2ab leq a^2+b^2$$ $$2ac leq a^2+c^2$$ $$2ad leq a^2+d^2$$ $$2bc leq b^2+c^2$$ $$2bd leq b^2+d^2$$ and $$2cd leq c^2+d^2$$






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            He is using it for $$2ab leq a^2+b^2$$ $$2ac leq a^2+c^2$$ $$2ad leq a^2+d^2$$ $$2bc leq b^2+c^2$$ $$2bd leq b^2+d^2$$ and $$2cd leq c^2+d^2$$







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            answered Aug 26 at 12:42









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            • As per your answer, summing all these inequalities yields $$3(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)geq 2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd)$$ so $$(40-e)^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2+2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd)leq 4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)$$ For a continuation, we know that $4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)=4(400-e^2)=1600-4e^2, $ hence $1600-80-e^2leq 1600-4e^2$. So $5e^2leq 80eimplies eleq 16$. Therefore, $max(e)=16$. Thank you very much!
              – user
              Aug 26 at 12:50











            • Apart from some little typos, it is correct. But it only proves $e leq 16$, in order to prove $max(e)=16$ you should also provide some $(a,b,c,d,e)$ for which $e=16$ and the other two equalities are satisfied.
              – LucaMac
              Aug 26 at 12:54










            • You're right, $a=b=c=d=6$ works.
              – user
              Aug 26 at 12:56
















            • As per your answer, summing all these inequalities yields $$3(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)geq 2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd)$$ so $$(40-e)^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2+2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd)leq 4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)$$ For a continuation, we know that $4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)=4(400-e^2)=1600-4e^2, $ hence $1600-80-e^2leq 1600-4e^2$. So $5e^2leq 80eimplies eleq 16$. Therefore, $max(e)=16$. Thank you very much!
              – user
              Aug 26 at 12:50











            • Apart from some little typos, it is correct. But it only proves $e leq 16$, in order to prove $max(e)=16$ you should also provide some $(a,b,c,d,e)$ for which $e=16$ and the other two equalities are satisfied.
              – LucaMac
              Aug 26 at 12:54










            • You're right, $a=b=c=d=6$ works.
              – user
              Aug 26 at 12:56















            As per your answer, summing all these inequalities yields $$3(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)geq 2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd)$$ so $$(40-e)^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2+2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd)leq 4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)$$ For a continuation, we know that $4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)=4(400-e^2)=1600-4e^2, $ hence $1600-80-e^2leq 1600-4e^2$. So $5e^2leq 80eimplies eleq 16$. Therefore, $max(e)=16$. Thank you very much!
            – user
            Aug 26 at 12:50





            As per your answer, summing all these inequalities yields $$3(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)geq 2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd)$$ so $$(40-e)^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2+2(ab+ac+ad+bc+bd+cd)leq 4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)$$ For a continuation, we know that $4(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)=4(400-e^2)=1600-4e^2, $ hence $1600-80-e^2leq 1600-4e^2$. So $5e^2leq 80eimplies eleq 16$. Therefore, $max(e)=16$. Thank you very much!
            – user
            Aug 26 at 12:50













            Apart from some little typos, it is correct. But it only proves $e leq 16$, in order to prove $max(e)=16$ you should also provide some $(a,b,c,d,e)$ for which $e=16$ and the other two equalities are satisfied.
            – LucaMac
            Aug 26 at 12:54




            Apart from some little typos, it is correct. But it only proves $e leq 16$, in order to prove $max(e)=16$ you should also provide some $(a,b,c,d,e)$ for which $e=16$ and the other two equalities are satisfied.
            – LucaMac
            Aug 26 at 12:54












            You're right, $a=b=c=d=6$ works.
            – user
            Aug 26 at 12:56




            You're right, $a=b=c=d=6$ works.
            – user
            Aug 26 at 12:56










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            You must write $$2able a^2+b^2$$ and so on.






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                answered Aug 26 at 12:43









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                    I think the following way is much more better.



                    By C-S $$400-e^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2=frac14(1+1+1+1)(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)geq$$
                    $$geqfrac14(a+b+c+d)^2=frac14(40-e)^2,$$
                    which gives $0leq eleq16.$



                    The equality occurs for $(a,b,c,d,e)=(6,6,6,6,16),$ which says that $16$ is a maximal value.






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                    • There's also a neat solution using Jensen, but this is cool!
                      – user
                      Aug 26 at 13:27











                    • Yes, Jensen for $f(x)=x^2.$
                      – Michael Rozenberg
                      Aug 26 at 13:31














                    up vote
                    0
                    down vote













                    I think the following way is much more better.



                    By C-S $$400-e^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2=frac14(1+1+1+1)(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)geq$$
                    $$geqfrac14(a+b+c+d)^2=frac14(40-e)^2,$$
                    which gives $0leq eleq16.$



                    The equality occurs for $(a,b,c,d,e)=(6,6,6,6,16),$ which says that $16$ is a maximal value.






                    share|cite|improve this answer






















                    • There's also a neat solution using Jensen, but this is cool!
                      – user
                      Aug 26 at 13:27











                    • Yes, Jensen for $f(x)=x^2.$
                      – Michael Rozenberg
                      Aug 26 at 13:31












                    up vote
                    0
                    down vote










                    up vote
                    0
                    down vote









                    I think the following way is much more better.



                    By C-S $$400-e^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2=frac14(1+1+1+1)(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)geq$$
                    $$geqfrac14(a+b+c+d)^2=frac14(40-e)^2,$$
                    which gives $0leq eleq16.$



                    The equality occurs for $(a,b,c,d,e)=(6,6,6,6,16),$ which says that $16$ is a maximal value.






                    share|cite|improve this answer














                    I think the following way is much more better.



                    By C-S $$400-e^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2=frac14(1+1+1+1)(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)geq$$
                    $$geqfrac14(a+b+c+d)^2=frac14(40-e)^2,$$
                    which gives $0leq eleq16.$



                    The equality occurs for $(a,b,c,d,e)=(6,6,6,6,16),$ which says that $16$ is a maximal value.







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                    answered Aug 26 at 13:05









                    Michael Rozenberg

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                    • There's also a neat solution using Jensen, but this is cool!
                      – user
                      Aug 26 at 13:27











                    • Yes, Jensen for $f(x)=x^2.$
                      – Michael Rozenberg
                      Aug 26 at 13:31
















                    • There's also a neat solution using Jensen, but this is cool!
                      – user
                      Aug 26 at 13:27











                    • Yes, Jensen for $f(x)=x^2.$
                      – Michael Rozenberg
                      Aug 26 at 13:31















                    There's also a neat solution using Jensen, but this is cool!
                    – user
                    Aug 26 at 13:27





                    There's also a neat solution using Jensen, but this is cool!
                    – user
                    Aug 26 at 13:27













                    Yes, Jensen for $f(x)=x^2.$
                    – Michael Rozenberg
                    Aug 26 at 13:31




                    Yes, Jensen for $f(x)=x^2.$
                    – Michael Rozenberg
                    Aug 26 at 13:31

















                     

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