Proof verification $(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) = (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2+ (x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$ (Spivak's Calculus)
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I have to prove the Schwarz inequality with that, then I want to know if what I did was so rigorous or not (And if it's good).
$$(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) = (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2 + (x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$$
Then, to me it seems, that if I take away the $(x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$ term
I get
$$(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) ge (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2 $$
Then take the square root of both sides, since both are positives numbers.
$$sqrt(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) ge |x_1y_1 + x_2y_2| $$
Then
$$sqrt(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2ò) ge (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2) ge -sqrt(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2)$$
Since $|a| le b$ then $-b le a le b$
Then I got the Schwarz inequality . I think in this too
If $a,b ge 0$ and $a = b$, then $a - a le b$
In this case, we have three terms, all positives. Then $a = b + c$ and then $a ge b + c - c$
What do you thing about this?
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I have to prove the Schwarz inequality with that, then I want to know if what I did was so rigorous or not (And if it's good).
$$(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) = (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2 + (x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$$
Then, to me it seems, that if I take away the $(x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$ term
I get
$$(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) ge (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2 $$
Then take the square root of both sides, since both are positives numbers.
$$sqrt(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) ge |x_1y_1 + x_2y_2| $$
Then
$$sqrt(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2ò) ge (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2) ge -sqrt(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2)$$
Since $|a| le b$ then $-b le a le b$
Then I got the Schwarz inequality . I think in this too
If $a,b ge 0$ and $a = b$, then $a - a le b$
In this case, we have three terms, all positives. Then $a = b + c$ and then $a ge b + c - c$
What do you thing about this?
algebra-precalculus proof-verification inequality alternative-proof cauchy-schwarz-inequality
Looks fine. Except, at the end, don't you mean $mid amidle b$. Also, not sure what you did after that.
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 4:36
Oh, sorry, it's $|a| le b$
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 4:38
Already solved, I wanted to explain what I did. Is that so rigorous?
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 4:40
I like it. Did Spivak suggest this?
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 4:41
1
two points: 1) this method works only for binomials (e.g. it will not work for $(x_1^2+x_2^2+x_3^2)(y_1^2+y_2^2+y_3^2)$; 2) you must state when the equality holds ($x_1y_2-x_2y_1=0$). Also, you can check this: rgmia.org/papers/v12e/Cauchy-Schwarzinequality.pdf
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I have to prove the Schwarz inequality with that, then I want to know if what I did was so rigorous or not (And if it's good).
$$(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) = (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2 + (x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$$
Then, to me it seems, that if I take away the $(x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$ term
I get
$$(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) ge (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2 $$
Then take the square root of both sides, since both are positives numbers.
$$sqrt(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) ge |x_1y_1 + x_2y_2| $$
Then
$$sqrt(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2ò) ge (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2) ge -sqrt(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2)$$
Since $|a| le b$ then $-b le a le b$
Then I got the Schwarz inequality . I think in this too
If $a,b ge 0$ and $a = b$, then $a - a le b$
In this case, we have three terms, all positives. Then $a = b + c$ and then $a ge b + c - c$
What do you thing about this?
algebra-precalculus proof-verification inequality alternative-proof cauchy-schwarz-inequality
I have to prove the Schwarz inequality with that, then I want to know if what I did was so rigorous or not (And if it's good).
$$(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) = (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2 + (x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$$
Then, to me it seems, that if I take away the $(x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$ term
I get
$$(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) ge (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2 $$
Then take the square root of both sides, since both are positives numbers.
$$sqrt(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) ge |x_1y_1 + x_2y_2| $$
Then
$$sqrt(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2ò) ge (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2) ge -sqrt(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2)$$
Since $|a| le b$ then $-b le a le b$
Then I got the Schwarz inequality . I think in this too
If $a,b ge 0$ and $a = b$, then $a - a le b$
In this case, we have three terms, all positives. Then $a = b + c$ and then $a ge b + c - c$
What do you thing about this?
algebra-precalculus proof-verification inequality alternative-proof cauchy-schwarz-inequality
algebra-precalculus proof-verification inequality alternative-proof cauchy-schwarz-inequality
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Looks fine. Except, at the end, don't you mean $mid amidle b$. Also, not sure what you did after that.
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 4:36
Oh, sorry, it's $|a| le b$
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 4:38
Already solved, I wanted to explain what I did. Is that so rigorous?
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 4:40
I like it. Did Spivak suggest this?
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 4:41
1
two points: 1) this method works only for binomials (e.g. it will not work for $(x_1^2+x_2^2+x_3^2)(y_1^2+y_2^2+y_3^2)$; 2) you must state when the equality holds ($x_1y_2-x_2y_1=0$). Also, you can check this: rgmia.org/papers/v12e/Cauchy-Schwarzinequality.pdf
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Aug 31 at 17:57
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Looks fine. Except, at the end, don't you mean $mid amidle b$. Also, not sure what you did after that.
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 4:36
Oh, sorry, it's $|a| le b$
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 4:38
Already solved, I wanted to explain what I did. Is that so rigorous?
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 4:40
I like it. Did Spivak suggest this?
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 4:41
1
two points: 1) this method works only for binomials (e.g. it will not work for $(x_1^2+x_2^2+x_3^2)(y_1^2+y_2^2+y_3^2)$; 2) you must state when the equality holds ($x_1y_2-x_2y_1=0$). Also, you can check this: rgmia.org/papers/v12e/Cauchy-Schwarzinequality.pdf
â farruhota
Aug 31 at 17:57
Looks fine. Except, at the end, don't you mean $mid amidle b$. Also, not sure what you did after that.
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 4:36
Looks fine. Except, at the end, don't you mean $mid amidle b$. Also, not sure what you did after that.
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 4:36
Oh, sorry, it's $|a| le b$
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 4:38
Oh, sorry, it's $|a| le b$
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 4:38
Already solved, I wanted to explain what I did. Is that so rigorous?
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 4:40
Already solved, I wanted to explain what I did. Is that so rigorous?
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 4:40
I like it. Did Spivak suggest this?
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 4:41
I like it. Did Spivak suggest this?
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 4:41
1
1
two points: 1) this method works only for binomials (e.g. it will not work for $(x_1^2+x_2^2+x_3^2)(y_1^2+y_2^2+y_3^2)$; 2) you must state when the equality holds ($x_1y_2-x_2y_1=0$). Also, you can check this: rgmia.org/papers/v12e/Cauchy-Schwarzinequality.pdf
â farruhota
Aug 31 at 17:57
two points: 1) this method works only for binomials (e.g. it will not work for $(x_1^2+x_2^2+x_3^2)(y_1^2+y_2^2+y_3^2)$; 2) you must state when the equality holds ($x_1y_2-x_2y_1=0$). Also, you can check this: rgmia.org/papers/v12e/Cauchy-Schwarzinequality.pdf
â farruhota
Aug 31 at 17:57
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Start with the algebraic identity (also known as the Brahmagupta-Fibonacci Identity)
$$(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) = (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2 + (x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$$
Then take away the $(x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$ term as you did (here you use the fact that $a^2ge0$ for all $a$) to give the inequality:
$$(x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2le(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2)$$
Then take the square root of both sides, since both are positives numbers. This next step of taking the modulus $|x_1y_1 + x_2y_2|$ is unecessary. You already have the Schwarz inequality here. Instead of
$$|x_1y_1 + x_2y_2|lesqrtx_1^2 + x_2^2cdotsqrty_1^2 + y_2^2$$
you only need
$$x_1y_1 + x_2y_2lesqrtx_1^2 + x_2^2cdotsqrty_1^2 + y_2^2$$
as it doesn't matter whether the $x_i$ or $y_i$ are positive or negative, the Schwarz inequality still holds. Hence the $-b le a le b$ is then not needed, only the fact that $a^2ge0$ for all $a$ is ever used.
The general form of the Schwarz Inequality is then:
$$sum_i=1^nx_iy_ilesqrtsum_i=1^nx_i^2cdotsqrtsum_i=1^ny_i^2$$
Echoing @farruhota s comments-this method only works for binomials as given (I only added the general form for reference).
â Daniel Buck
Aug 31 at 19:30
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$(x_1,x_2)cdot (y_1,y_2)=mid xmidcdotmid ymidcosthetaimplies mid x_1y_1+x_2y_2midle sqrt(x_1^2+x_2^2)(y_1^2+y_2^2)$
Is that ok?
I don't get what did you do
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 5:21
I used the formula for the dot product. Then I used that $costhetale1$. ($theta$ is the angle between $x$ and $y$). It's an alternate proof (I think).
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Aug 30 at 5:25
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Start with the algebraic identity (also known as the Brahmagupta-Fibonacci Identity)
$$(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) = (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2 + (x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$$
Then take away the $(x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$ term as you did (here you use the fact that $a^2ge0$ for all $a$) to give the inequality:
$$(x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2le(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2)$$
Then take the square root of both sides, since both are positives numbers. This next step of taking the modulus $|x_1y_1 + x_2y_2|$ is unecessary. You already have the Schwarz inequality here. Instead of
$$|x_1y_1 + x_2y_2|lesqrtx_1^2 + x_2^2cdotsqrty_1^2 + y_2^2$$
you only need
$$x_1y_1 + x_2y_2lesqrtx_1^2 + x_2^2cdotsqrty_1^2 + y_2^2$$
as it doesn't matter whether the $x_i$ or $y_i$ are positive or negative, the Schwarz inequality still holds. Hence the $-b le a le b$ is then not needed, only the fact that $a^2ge0$ for all $a$ is ever used.
The general form of the Schwarz Inequality is then:
$$sum_i=1^nx_iy_ilesqrtsum_i=1^nx_i^2cdotsqrtsum_i=1^ny_i^2$$
Echoing @farruhota s comments-this method only works for binomials as given (I only added the general form for reference).
â Daniel Buck
Aug 31 at 19:30
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Start with the algebraic identity (also known as the Brahmagupta-Fibonacci Identity)
$$(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) = (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2 + (x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$$
Then take away the $(x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$ term as you did (here you use the fact that $a^2ge0$ for all $a$) to give the inequality:
$$(x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2le(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2)$$
Then take the square root of both sides, since both are positives numbers. This next step of taking the modulus $|x_1y_1 + x_2y_2|$ is unecessary. You already have the Schwarz inequality here. Instead of
$$|x_1y_1 + x_2y_2|lesqrtx_1^2 + x_2^2cdotsqrty_1^2 + y_2^2$$
you only need
$$x_1y_1 + x_2y_2lesqrtx_1^2 + x_2^2cdotsqrty_1^2 + y_2^2$$
as it doesn't matter whether the $x_i$ or $y_i$ are positive or negative, the Schwarz inequality still holds. Hence the $-b le a le b$ is then not needed, only the fact that $a^2ge0$ for all $a$ is ever used.
The general form of the Schwarz Inequality is then:
$$sum_i=1^nx_iy_ilesqrtsum_i=1^nx_i^2cdotsqrtsum_i=1^ny_i^2$$
Echoing @farruhota s comments-this method only works for binomials as given (I only added the general form for reference).
â Daniel Buck
Aug 31 at 19:30
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Start with the algebraic identity (also known as the Brahmagupta-Fibonacci Identity)
$$(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) = (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2 + (x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$$
Then take away the $(x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$ term as you did (here you use the fact that $a^2ge0$ for all $a$) to give the inequality:
$$(x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2le(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2)$$
Then take the square root of both sides, since both are positives numbers. This next step of taking the modulus $|x_1y_1 + x_2y_2|$ is unecessary. You already have the Schwarz inequality here. Instead of
$$|x_1y_1 + x_2y_2|lesqrtx_1^2 + x_2^2cdotsqrty_1^2 + y_2^2$$
you only need
$$x_1y_1 + x_2y_2lesqrtx_1^2 + x_2^2cdotsqrty_1^2 + y_2^2$$
as it doesn't matter whether the $x_i$ or $y_i$ are positive or negative, the Schwarz inequality still holds. Hence the $-b le a le b$ is then not needed, only the fact that $a^2ge0$ for all $a$ is ever used.
The general form of the Schwarz Inequality is then:
$$sum_i=1^nx_iy_ilesqrtsum_i=1^nx_i^2cdotsqrtsum_i=1^ny_i^2$$
Start with the algebraic identity (also known as the Brahmagupta-Fibonacci Identity)
$$(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2) = (x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2 + (x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$$
Then take away the $(x_1y_2 - x_2y_1)^2$ term as you did (here you use the fact that $a^2ge0$ for all $a$) to give the inequality:
$$(x_1y_1 + x_2y_2)^2le(x_1^2 + x_2^2)(y_1^2 + y_2^2)$$
Then take the square root of both sides, since both are positives numbers. This next step of taking the modulus $|x_1y_1 + x_2y_2|$ is unecessary. You already have the Schwarz inequality here. Instead of
$$|x_1y_1 + x_2y_2|lesqrtx_1^2 + x_2^2cdotsqrty_1^2 + y_2^2$$
you only need
$$x_1y_1 + x_2y_2lesqrtx_1^2 + x_2^2cdotsqrty_1^2 + y_2^2$$
as it doesn't matter whether the $x_i$ or $y_i$ are positive or negative, the Schwarz inequality still holds. Hence the $-b le a le b$ is then not needed, only the fact that $a^2ge0$ for all $a$ is ever used.
The general form of the Schwarz Inequality is then:
$$sum_i=1^nx_iy_ilesqrtsum_i=1^nx_i^2cdotsqrtsum_i=1^ny_i^2$$
answered Aug 31 at 17:52
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Echoing @farruhota s comments-this method only works for binomials as given (I only added the general form for reference).
â Daniel Buck
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Echoing @farruhota s comments-this method only works for binomials as given (I only added the general form for reference).
â Daniel Buck
Aug 31 at 19:30
Echoing @farruhota s comments-this method only works for binomials as given (I only added the general form for reference).
â Daniel Buck
Aug 31 at 19:30
Echoing @farruhota s comments-this method only works for binomials as given (I only added the general form for reference).
â Daniel Buck
Aug 31 at 19:30
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$(x_1,x_2)cdot (y_1,y_2)=mid xmidcdotmid ymidcosthetaimplies mid x_1y_1+x_2y_2midle sqrt(x_1^2+x_2^2)(y_1^2+y_2^2)$
Is that ok?
I don't get what did you do
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 5:21
I used the formula for the dot product. Then I used that $costhetale1$. ($theta$ is the angle between $x$ and $y$). It's an alternate proof (I think).
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 5:25
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$(x_1,x_2)cdot (y_1,y_2)=mid xmidcdotmid ymidcosthetaimplies mid x_1y_1+x_2y_2midle sqrt(x_1^2+x_2^2)(y_1^2+y_2^2)$
Is that ok?
I don't get what did you do
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 5:21
I used the formula for the dot product. Then I used that $costhetale1$. ($theta$ is the angle between $x$ and $y$). It's an alternate proof (I think).
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 5:25
add a comment |Â
up vote
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up vote
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$(x_1,x_2)cdot (y_1,y_2)=mid xmidcdotmid ymidcosthetaimplies mid x_1y_1+x_2y_2midle sqrt(x_1^2+x_2^2)(y_1^2+y_2^2)$
Is that ok?
$(x_1,x_2)cdot (y_1,y_2)=mid xmidcdotmid ymidcosthetaimplies mid x_1y_1+x_2y_2midle sqrt(x_1^2+x_2^2)(y_1^2+y_2^2)$
Is that ok?
edited Aug 30 at 5:33
answered Aug 30 at 5:04
Chris Custer
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I don't get what did you do
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 5:21
I used the formula for the dot product. Then I used that $costhetale1$. ($theta$ is the angle between $x$ and $y$). It's an alternate proof (I think).
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 5:25
add a comment |Â
I don't get what did you do
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 5:21
I used the formula for the dot product. Then I used that $costhetale1$. ($theta$ is the angle between $x$ and $y$). It's an alternate proof (I think).
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 5:25
I don't get what did you do
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 5:21
I don't get what did you do
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 5:21
I used the formula for the dot product. Then I used that $costhetale1$. ($theta$ is the angle between $x$ and $y$). It's an alternate proof (I think).
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 5:25
I used the formula for the dot product. Then I used that $costhetale1$. ($theta$ is the angle between $x$ and $y$). It's an alternate proof (I think).
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 5:25
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Looks fine. Except, at the end, don't you mean $mid amidle b$. Also, not sure what you did after that.
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 4:36
Oh, sorry, it's $|a| le b$
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 4:38
Already solved, I wanted to explain what I did. Is that so rigorous?
â Enigsis
Aug 30 at 4:40
I like it. Did Spivak suggest this?
â Chris Custer
Aug 30 at 4:41
1
two points: 1) this method works only for binomials (e.g. it will not work for $(x_1^2+x_2^2+x_3^2)(y_1^2+y_2^2+y_3^2)$; 2) you must state when the equality holds ($x_1y_2-x_2y_1=0$). Also, you can check this: rgmia.org/papers/v12e/Cauchy-Schwarzinequality.pdf
â farruhota
Aug 31 at 17:57