Is there a reason why $19^frac125$ is so close to $frac98$?

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I am curious to know if there is a reason why $19^frac125$ is so close to $frac98$?










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          The reason is that $(9/8)^25approx 19.0026$ is close to $19$.



          This might sound like a boring answer, but odds are, there is no deeper reason. There are so many numbers and ways to combine them with common operations that it would be unthinkable that none of them were "close" to any others (and what defines how close is "close" anyway?) You happened to stumble across one of the many coincidences that are bound to happen, and that's (probably) it.



          My personal favourite is $e^pi - pi approx 20$, which I found through XKCD.



          Of course, there are somewhat constructive ways to look for such coincidences, like using continued fractions and the like. And at least when comparing some expression to a rational number, there are objective tests for "closeness", like comparing their difference to the size of the denominator (the golden ratio is famously "far away" from any rational number). But that doesn't mean that the existence of any of them is part of some deeper pattern.






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            Sometimes there are reasons, though. For instance, $expleft(pisqrt163right) approx 640320^3 + 744$. See this.
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            Aug 30 at 8:38







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            I am going to go with coincidence. Other similar examples are $(11/10)^37 approx 34.0039$ and $(17/16)^41 approx 12.0084$.
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          I agree with Arthur that it is a coincidence. Here is one way to see why.



          Take any fraction that is slightly bigger than $1$. You took $9/8$.
          Raise that to successive powers: $(9/8)^2, (9/8)^3, (9/8)^4, ...$

          The first two digits after the decimal point are essentially random, so you expect $.00$ to occur once every hundred times. Occasionally you can be a bit lucky that it occurs a little early, say before you reach the $50$th power. Since the fraction you started with is close to $1$, the result is nearly integer that is not very large.



          For example:

          $(6/5)^21 approx 46$

          $(11/10)^37 approx 34$

          $(19/18)^36 approx 7$

          and the best yet:

          $(7/6)^9 approx 4$

          $(12/11)^8 approx 2$



          If you also look for cases where you have $.99$ after the decimal point, you get many more.






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            There is a connection between continued fractions and best rational approximations,
            e.g. see here.



            You would need the continued fraction for $19^1/25$ of course, I am not sure if this is easy to derive. E.g. for roots $sqrt[k]cdot$ this would be easy.






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              Just to investigate from another point of view we have that



              $$19^frac125approx frac98 iff 19approx left(frac98right)^25$$



              and by binomial expansion



              $$left(frac98right)^25= left(1+frac18right)^25approx 1+frac258+frac30064+frac2300512+frac12,6504,096+frac53,13032,768+frac177,100262,144+frac480,7002,097,152+frac1,081,57516,777,216approx 18.98$$



              which converges very slowly and confirm in some sense that the result obtained is really a "coincidence".



              Note that if we take



              $$left(frac9089right)^25=left(1+frac189right)^25approx 1+frac2589+frac3007921+frac2300704,969approx frac 43$$



              and we obtain that



              $$frac 4 3approx left(frac9089right)^25$$



              that is in some sense less a "coincidence" since the convergence is faster and the dominant term is



              $$1+frac2589approx frac43$$






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                The reason is that $(9/8)^25approx 19.0026$ is close to $19$.



                This might sound like a boring answer, but odds are, there is no deeper reason. There are so many numbers and ways to combine them with common operations that it would be unthinkable that none of them were "close" to any others (and what defines how close is "close" anyway?) You happened to stumble across one of the many coincidences that are bound to happen, and that's (probably) it.



                My personal favourite is $e^pi - pi approx 20$, which I found through XKCD.



                Of course, there are somewhat constructive ways to look for such coincidences, like using continued fractions and the like. And at least when comparing some expression to a rational number, there are objective tests for "closeness", like comparing their difference to the size of the denominator (the golden ratio is famously "far away" from any rational number). But that doesn't mean that the existence of any of them is part of some deeper pattern.






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                  Sometimes there are reasons, though. For instance, $expleft(pisqrt163right) approx 640320^3 + 744$. See this.
                  – MathematicsStudent1122
                  Aug 30 at 8:38







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                  I am going to go with coincidence. Other similar examples are $(11/10)^37 approx 34.0039$ and $(17/16)^41 approx 12.0084$.
                  – gandalf61
                  Aug 30 at 8:43














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                The reason is that $(9/8)^25approx 19.0026$ is close to $19$.



                This might sound like a boring answer, but odds are, there is no deeper reason. There are so many numbers and ways to combine them with common operations that it would be unthinkable that none of them were "close" to any others (and what defines how close is "close" anyway?) You happened to stumble across one of the many coincidences that are bound to happen, and that's (probably) it.



                My personal favourite is $e^pi - pi approx 20$, which I found through XKCD.



                Of course, there are somewhat constructive ways to look for such coincidences, like using continued fractions and the like. And at least when comparing some expression to a rational number, there are objective tests for "closeness", like comparing their difference to the size of the denominator (the golden ratio is famously "far away" from any rational number). But that doesn't mean that the existence of any of them is part of some deeper pattern.






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                  Sometimes there are reasons, though. For instance, $expleft(pisqrt163right) approx 640320^3 + 744$. See this.
                  – MathematicsStudent1122
                  Aug 30 at 8:38







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                  I am going to go with coincidence. Other similar examples are $(11/10)^37 approx 34.0039$ and $(17/16)^41 approx 12.0084$.
                  – gandalf61
                  Aug 30 at 8:43












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                The reason is that $(9/8)^25approx 19.0026$ is close to $19$.



                This might sound like a boring answer, but odds are, there is no deeper reason. There are so many numbers and ways to combine them with common operations that it would be unthinkable that none of them were "close" to any others (and what defines how close is "close" anyway?) You happened to stumble across one of the many coincidences that are bound to happen, and that's (probably) it.



                My personal favourite is $e^pi - pi approx 20$, which I found through XKCD.



                Of course, there are somewhat constructive ways to look for such coincidences, like using continued fractions and the like. And at least when comparing some expression to a rational number, there are objective tests for "closeness", like comparing their difference to the size of the denominator (the golden ratio is famously "far away" from any rational number). But that doesn't mean that the existence of any of them is part of some deeper pattern.






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                The reason is that $(9/8)^25approx 19.0026$ is close to $19$.



                This might sound like a boring answer, but odds are, there is no deeper reason. There are so many numbers and ways to combine them with common operations that it would be unthinkable that none of them were "close" to any others (and what defines how close is "close" anyway?) You happened to stumble across one of the many coincidences that are bound to happen, and that's (probably) it.



                My personal favourite is $e^pi - pi approx 20$, which I found through XKCD.



                Of course, there are somewhat constructive ways to look for such coincidences, like using continued fractions and the like. And at least when comparing some expression to a rational number, there are objective tests for "closeness", like comparing their difference to the size of the denominator (the golden ratio is famously "far away" from any rational number). But that doesn't mean that the existence of any of them is part of some deeper pattern.







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                  Sometimes there are reasons, though. For instance, $expleft(pisqrt163right) approx 640320^3 + 744$. See this.
                  – MathematicsStudent1122
                  Aug 30 at 8:38







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                  I am going to go with coincidence. Other similar examples are $(11/10)^37 approx 34.0039$ and $(17/16)^41 approx 12.0084$.
                  – gandalf61
                  Aug 30 at 8:43












                • 1




                  Sometimes there are reasons, though. For instance, $expleft(pisqrt163right) approx 640320^3 + 744$. See this.
                  – MathematicsStudent1122
                  Aug 30 at 8:38







                • 2




                  I am going to go with coincidence. Other similar examples are $(11/10)^37 approx 34.0039$ and $(17/16)^41 approx 12.0084$.
                  – gandalf61
                  Aug 30 at 8:43







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                Sometimes there are reasons, though. For instance, $expleft(pisqrt163right) approx 640320^3 + 744$. See this.
                – MathematicsStudent1122
                Aug 30 at 8:38





                Sometimes there are reasons, though. For instance, $expleft(pisqrt163right) approx 640320^3 + 744$. See this.
                – MathematicsStudent1122
                Aug 30 at 8:38





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                I am going to go with coincidence. Other similar examples are $(11/10)^37 approx 34.0039$ and $(17/16)^41 approx 12.0084$.
                – gandalf61
                Aug 30 at 8:43




                I am going to go with coincidence. Other similar examples are $(11/10)^37 approx 34.0039$ and $(17/16)^41 approx 12.0084$.
                – gandalf61
                Aug 30 at 8:43










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                I agree with Arthur that it is a coincidence. Here is one way to see why.



                Take any fraction that is slightly bigger than $1$. You took $9/8$.
                Raise that to successive powers: $(9/8)^2, (9/8)^3, (9/8)^4, ...$

                The first two digits after the decimal point are essentially random, so you expect $.00$ to occur once every hundred times. Occasionally you can be a bit lucky that it occurs a little early, say before you reach the $50$th power. Since the fraction you started with is close to $1$, the result is nearly integer that is not very large.



                For example:

                $(6/5)^21 approx 46$

                $(11/10)^37 approx 34$

                $(19/18)^36 approx 7$

                and the best yet:

                $(7/6)^9 approx 4$

                $(12/11)^8 approx 2$



                If you also look for cases where you have $.99$ after the decimal point, you get many more.






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                  I agree with Arthur that it is a coincidence. Here is one way to see why.



                  Take any fraction that is slightly bigger than $1$. You took $9/8$.
                  Raise that to successive powers: $(9/8)^2, (9/8)^3, (9/8)^4, ...$

                  The first two digits after the decimal point are essentially random, so you expect $.00$ to occur once every hundred times. Occasionally you can be a bit lucky that it occurs a little early, say before you reach the $50$th power. Since the fraction you started with is close to $1$, the result is nearly integer that is not very large.



                  For example:

                  $(6/5)^21 approx 46$

                  $(11/10)^37 approx 34$

                  $(19/18)^36 approx 7$

                  and the best yet:

                  $(7/6)^9 approx 4$

                  $(12/11)^8 approx 2$



                  If you also look for cases where you have $.99$ after the decimal point, you get many more.






                  share|cite|improve this answer
























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                    I agree with Arthur that it is a coincidence. Here is one way to see why.



                    Take any fraction that is slightly bigger than $1$. You took $9/8$.
                    Raise that to successive powers: $(9/8)^2, (9/8)^3, (9/8)^4, ...$

                    The first two digits after the decimal point are essentially random, so you expect $.00$ to occur once every hundred times. Occasionally you can be a bit lucky that it occurs a little early, say before you reach the $50$th power. Since the fraction you started with is close to $1$, the result is nearly integer that is not very large.



                    For example:

                    $(6/5)^21 approx 46$

                    $(11/10)^37 approx 34$

                    $(19/18)^36 approx 7$

                    and the best yet:

                    $(7/6)^9 approx 4$

                    $(12/11)^8 approx 2$



                    If you also look for cases where you have $.99$ after the decimal point, you get many more.






                    share|cite|improve this answer














                    I agree with Arthur that it is a coincidence. Here is one way to see why.



                    Take any fraction that is slightly bigger than $1$. You took $9/8$.
                    Raise that to successive powers: $(9/8)^2, (9/8)^3, (9/8)^4, ...$

                    The first two digits after the decimal point are essentially random, so you expect $.00$ to occur once every hundred times. Occasionally you can be a bit lucky that it occurs a little early, say before you reach the $50$th power. Since the fraction you started with is close to $1$, the result is nearly integer that is not very large.



                    For example:

                    $(6/5)^21 approx 46$

                    $(11/10)^37 approx 34$

                    $(19/18)^36 approx 7$

                    and the best yet:

                    $(7/6)^9 approx 4$

                    $(12/11)^8 approx 2$



                    If you also look for cases where you have $.99$ after the decimal point, you get many more.







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                        There is a connection between continued fractions and best rational approximations,
                        e.g. see here.



                        You would need the continued fraction for $19^1/25$ of course, I am not sure if this is easy to derive. E.g. for roots $sqrt[k]cdot$ this would be easy.






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                          There is a connection between continued fractions and best rational approximations,
                          e.g. see here.



                          You would need the continued fraction for $19^1/25$ of course, I am not sure if this is easy to derive. E.g. for roots $sqrt[k]cdot$ this would be easy.






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                            There is a connection between continued fractions and best rational approximations,
                            e.g. see here.



                            You would need the continued fraction for $19^1/25$ of course, I am not sure if this is easy to derive. E.g. for roots $sqrt[k]cdot$ this would be easy.






                            share|cite|improve this answer












                            There is a connection between continued fractions and best rational approximations,
                            e.g. see here.



                            You would need the continued fraction for $19^1/25$ of course, I am not sure if this is easy to derive. E.g. for roots $sqrt[k]cdot$ this would be easy.







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                                Just to investigate from another point of view we have that



                                $$19^frac125approx frac98 iff 19approx left(frac98right)^25$$



                                and by binomial expansion



                                $$left(frac98right)^25= left(1+frac18right)^25approx 1+frac258+frac30064+frac2300512+frac12,6504,096+frac53,13032,768+frac177,100262,144+frac480,7002,097,152+frac1,081,57516,777,216approx 18.98$$



                                which converges very slowly and confirm in some sense that the result obtained is really a "coincidence".



                                Note that if we take



                                $$left(frac9089right)^25=left(1+frac189right)^25approx 1+frac2589+frac3007921+frac2300704,969approx frac 43$$



                                and we obtain that



                                $$frac 4 3approx left(frac9089right)^25$$



                                that is in some sense less a "coincidence" since the convergence is faster and the dominant term is



                                $$1+frac2589approx frac43$$






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                                  up vote
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                                  Just to investigate from another point of view we have that



                                  $$19^frac125approx frac98 iff 19approx left(frac98right)^25$$



                                  and by binomial expansion



                                  $$left(frac98right)^25= left(1+frac18right)^25approx 1+frac258+frac30064+frac2300512+frac12,6504,096+frac53,13032,768+frac177,100262,144+frac480,7002,097,152+frac1,081,57516,777,216approx 18.98$$



                                  which converges very slowly and confirm in some sense that the result obtained is really a "coincidence".



                                  Note that if we take



                                  $$left(frac9089right)^25=left(1+frac189right)^25approx 1+frac2589+frac3007921+frac2300704,969approx frac 43$$



                                  and we obtain that



                                  $$frac 4 3approx left(frac9089right)^25$$



                                  that is in some sense less a "coincidence" since the convergence is faster and the dominant term is



                                  $$1+frac2589approx frac43$$






                                  share|cite|improve this answer
























                                    up vote
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                                    up vote
                                    1
                                    down vote









                                    Just to investigate from another point of view we have that



                                    $$19^frac125approx frac98 iff 19approx left(frac98right)^25$$



                                    and by binomial expansion



                                    $$left(frac98right)^25= left(1+frac18right)^25approx 1+frac258+frac30064+frac2300512+frac12,6504,096+frac53,13032,768+frac177,100262,144+frac480,7002,097,152+frac1,081,57516,777,216approx 18.98$$



                                    which converges very slowly and confirm in some sense that the result obtained is really a "coincidence".



                                    Note that if we take



                                    $$left(frac9089right)^25=left(1+frac189right)^25approx 1+frac2589+frac3007921+frac2300704,969approx frac 43$$



                                    and we obtain that



                                    $$frac 4 3approx left(frac9089right)^25$$



                                    that is in some sense less a "coincidence" since the convergence is faster and the dominant term is



                                    $$1+frac2589approx frac43$$






                                    share|cite|improve this answer














                                    Just to investigate from another point of view we have that



                                    $$19^frac125approx frac98 iff 19approx left(frac98right)^25$$



                                    and by binomial expansion



                                    $$left(frac98right)^25= left(1+frac18right)^25approx 1+frac258+frac30064+frac2300512+frac12,6504,096+frac53,13032,768+frac177,100262,144+frac480,7002,097,152+frac1,081,57516,777,216approx 18.98$$



                                    which converges very slowly and confirm in some sense that the result obtained is really a "coincidence".



                                    Note that if we take



                                    $$left(frac9089right)^25=left(1+frac189right)^25approx 1+frac2589+frac3007921+frac2300704,969approx frac 43$$



                                    and we obtain that



                                    $$frac 4 3approx left(frac9089right)^25$$



                                    that is in some sense less a "coincidence" since the convergence is faster and the dominant term is



                                    $$1+frac2589approx frac43$$







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