Limit as $(x,y,z)to (0,0,0)$ of $f(x,y,z) = dfracxy+yz+xzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$
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To find this limit, I converted to spherical coordinates and rewrote:
$$lim_rto 0 dfracr^2(sin^2theta cosphi sin phi + sintheta cos theta sin phi + sintheta cos theta cos phi)r = 0$$
Is this method alright? Our teacher did using epsilon delta proof, so how can we use something similar to spherical coordinates if say we had four variable limit of kind:
$$lim_(w,x,y,z) to (0,0,0,0) fracxy+yz+xz+wx
sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$
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To find this limit, I converted to spherical coordinates and rewrote:
$$lim_rto 0 dfracr^2(sin^2theta cosphi sin phi + sintheta cos theta sin phi + sintheta cos theta cos phi)r = 0$$
Is this method alright? Our teacher did using epsilon delta proof, so how can we use something similar to spherical coordinates if say we had four variable limit of kind:
$$lim_(w,x,y,z) to (0,0,0,0) fracxy+yz+xz+wx
sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$
limits multivariable-calculus
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To find this limit, I converted to spherical coordinates and rewrote:
$$lim_rto 0 dfracr^2(sin^2theta cosphi sin phi + sintheta cos theta sin phi + sintheta cos theta cos phi)r = 0$$
Is this method alright? Our teacher did using epsilon delta proof, so how can we use something similar to spherical coordinates if say we had four variable limit of kind:
$$lim_(w,x,y,z) to (0,0,0,0) fracxy+yz+xz+wx
sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$
limits multivariable-calculus
To find this limit, I converted to spherical coordinates and rewrote:
$$lim_rto 0 dfracr^2(sin^2theta cosphi sin phi + sintheta cos theta sin phi + sintheta cos theta cos phi)r = 0$$
Is this method alright? Our teacher did using epsilon delta proof, so how can we use something similar to spherical coordinates if say we had four variable limit of kind:
$$lim_(w,x,y,z) to (0,0,0,0) fracxy+yz+xz+wx
sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$
limits multivariable-calculus
limits multivariable-calculus
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Using the full spherical coordinates is overkill here. Let $r=sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$.
Then $|x|le r$, $|y|le r$, $|z|le r$. So
$$|xy+xz+yz|le|xy|+|xz|+|yz|le 3r^2$$ and so
$$left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|le 3r.$$
As $lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)r= 0$ then
$$lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|=0$$
also.
This method works for your four-variable problem too, avoiding
the minutiae of four-dimensional spherical coordinates.
you are probably right! Thanks :)
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It can be done. Let
$$r = sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$
$$x = rcos(phi_1)$$
$$y = rsin(phi_1)cos(phi_2)$$
$$z = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)cos(phi_3)$$
$$w = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)sin(phi_3).$$
Note that we transformed the coordinates $(x,y,z,w)$ to spherical coordinates $(r,phi_1,phi_2,phi_3)$ with $phi_1,phi_2$ ranging over $[0,pi]$ and $phi_3$ over $[0,2pi].$
Then notice that you will get the same simplification as in the three dimension case.
Thanks a lot, how can we be sure that these angle give all possible four dimension points
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:44
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Check this page out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-sphere#Spherical_coordinates under Spherical Coordinates.
â Hello_World
Aug 30 at 3:46
good to learn new things
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Notice that $x,y$ and $z$ are less and equal than $sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$ so that
$$ |xy+yz+xz| leq 3left(sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right)^2.$$
Hence, by a straightforward application of sandwich theorem, there holds that the aforementioned limit equals zero, since
$$ 0leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)left|dfracxy+yz+xzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2-0 right|leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)3sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2=0.$$
Thanks, I think Lord shark the unknown also said a similar answer :)
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3 Answers
3
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3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Using the full spherical coordinates is overkill here. Let $r=sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$.
Then $|x|le r$, $|y|le r$, $|z|le r$. So
$$|xy+xz+yz|le|xy|+|xz|+|yz|le 3r^2$$ and so
$$left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|le 3r.$$
As $lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)r= 0$ then
$$lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|=0$$
also.
This method works for your four-variable problem too, avoiding
the minutiae of four-dimensional spherical coordinates.
you are probably right! Thanks :)
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:45
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Using the full spherical coordinates is overkill here. Let $r=sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$.
Then $|x|le r$, $|y|le r$, $|z|le r$. So
$$|xy+xz+yz|le|xy|+|xz|+|yz|le 3r^2$$ and so
$$left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|le 3r.$$
As $lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)r= 0$ then
$$lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|=0$$
also.
This method works for your four-variable problem too, avoiding
the minutiae of four-dimensional spherical coordinates.
you are probably right! Thanks :)
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:45
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Using the full spherical coordinates is overkill here. Let $r=sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$.
Then $|x|le r$, $|y|le r$, $|z|le r$. So
$$|xy+xz+yz|le|xy|+|xz|+|yz|le 3r^2$$ and so
$$left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|le 3r.$$
As $lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)r= 0$ then
$$lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|=0$$
also.
This method works for your four-variable problem too, avoiding
the minutiae of four-dimensional spherical coordinates.
Using the full spherical coordinates is overkill here. Let $r=sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$.
Then $|x|le r$, $|y|le r$, $|z|le r$. So
$$|xy+xz+yz|le|xy|+|xz|+|yz|le 3r^2$$ and so
$$left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|le 3r.$$
As $lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)r= 0$ then
$$lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|=0$$
also.
This method works for your four-variable problem too, avoiding
the minutiae of four-dimensional spherical coordinates.
answered Aug 30 at 3:39
Lord Shark the Unknown
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you are probably right! Thanks :)
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you are probably right! Thanks :)
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:45
you are probably right! Thanks :)
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:45
you are probably right! Thanks :)
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:45
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up vote
2
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It can be done. Let
$$r = sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$
$$x = rcos(phi_1)$$
$$y = rsin(phi_1)cos(phi_2)$$
$$z = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)cos(phi_3)$$
$$w = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)sin(phi_3).$$
Note that we transformed the coordinates $(x,y,z,w)$ to spherical coordinates $(r,phi_1,phi_2,phi_3)$ with $phi_1,phi_2$ ranging over $[0,pi]$ and $phi_3$ over $[0,2pi].$
Then notice that you will get the same simplification as in the three dimension case.
Thanks a lot, how can we be sure that these angle give all possible four dimension points
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:44
1
Check this page out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-sphere#Spherical_coordinates under Spherical Coordinates.
â Hello_World
Aug 30 at 3:46
good to learn new things
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:51
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up vote
2
down vote
It can be done. Let
$$r = sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$
$$x = rcos(phi_1)$$
$$y = rsin(phi_1)cos(phi_2)$$
$$z = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)cos(phi_3)$$
$$w = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)sin(phi_3).$$
Note that we transformed the coordinates $(x,y,z,w)$ to spherical coordinates $(r,phi_1,phi_2,phi_3)$ with $phi_1,phi_2$ ranging over $[0,pi]$ and $phi_3$ over $[0,2pi].$
Then notice that you will get the same simplification as in the three dimension case.
Thanks a lot, how can we be sure that these angle give all possible four dimension points
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:44
1
Check this page out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-sphere#Spherical_coordinates under Spherical Coordinates.
â Hello_World
Aug 30 at 3:46
good to learn new things
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:51
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up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
It can be done. Let
$$r = sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$
$$x = rcos(phi_1)$$
$$y = rsin(phi_1)cos(phi_2)$$
$$z = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)cos(phi_3)$$
$$w = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)sin(phi_3).$$
Note that we transformed the coordinates $(x,y,z,w)$ to spherical coordinates $(r,phi_1,phi_2,phi_3)$ with $phi_1,phi_2$ ranging over $[0,pi]$ and $phi_3$ over $[0,2pi].$
Then notice that you will get the same simplification as in the three dimension case.
It can be done. Let
$$r = sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$
$$x = rcos(phi_1)$$
$$y = rsin(phi_1)cos(phi_2)$$
$$z = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)cos(phi_3)$$
$$w = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)sin(phi_3).$$
Note that we transformed the coordinates $(x,y,z,w)$ to spherical coordinates $(r,phi_1,phi_2,phi_3)$ with $phi_1,phi_2$ ranging over $[0,pi]$ and $phi_3$ over $[0,2pi].$
Then notice that you will get the same simplification as in the three dimension case.
answered Aug 30 at 3:38
Hello_World
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Thanks a lot, how can we be sure that these angle give all possible four dimension points
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:44
1
Check this page out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-sphere#Spherical_coordinates under Spherical Coordinates.
â Hello_World
Aug 30 at 3:46
good to learn new things
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:51
add a comment |Â
Thanks a lot, how can we be sure that these angle give all possible four dimension points
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:44
1
Check this page out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-sphere#Spherical_coordinates under Spherical Coordinates.
â Hello_World
Aug 30 at 3:46
good to learn new things
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:51
Thanks a lot, how can we be sure that these angle give all possible four dimension points
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:44
Thanks a lot, how can we be sure that these angle give all possible four dimension points
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:44
1
1
Check this page out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-sphere#Spherical_coordinates under Spherical Coordinates.
â Hello_World
Aug 30 at 3:46
Check this page out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-sphere#Spherical_coordinates under Spherical Coordinates.
â Hello_World
Aug 30 at 3:46
good to learn new things
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:51
good to learn new things
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:51
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2
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Notice that $x,y$ and $z$ are less and equal than $sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$ so that
$$ |xy+yz+xz| leq 3left(sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right)^2.$$
Hence, by a straightforward application of sandwich theorem, there holds that the aforementioned limit equals zero, since
$$ 0leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)left|dfracxy+yz+xzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2-0 right|leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)3sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2=0.$$
Thanks, I think Lord shark the unknown also said a similar answer :)
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:51
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2
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Notice that $x,y$ and $z$ are less and equal than $sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$ so that
$$ |xy+yz+xz| leq 3left(sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right)^2.$$
Hence, by a straightforward application of sandwich theorem, there holds that the aforementioned limit equals zero, since
$$ 0leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)left|dfracxy+yz+xzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2-0 right|leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)3sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2=0.$$
Thanks, I think Lord shark the unknown also said a similar answer :)
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:51
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up vote
2
down vote
up vote
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Notice that $x,y$ and $z$ are less and equal than $sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$ so that
$$ |xy+yz+xz| leq 3left(sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right)^2.$$
Hence, by a straightforward application of sandwich theorem, there holds that the aforementioned limit equals zero, since
$$ 0leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)left|dfracxy+yz+xzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2-0 right|leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)3sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2=0.$$
Notice that $x,y$ and $z$ are less and equal than $sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$ so that
$$ |xy+yz+xz| leq 3left(sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right)^2.$$
Hence, by a straightforward application of sandwich theorem, there holds that the aforementioned limit equals zero, since
$$ 0leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)left|dfracxy+yz+xzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2-0 right|leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)3sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2=0.$$
edited Aug 30 at 3:52
answered Aug 30 at 3:48
Nelson Faustino
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Thanks, I think Lord shark the unknown also said a similar answer :)
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Thanks, I think Lord shark the unknown also said a similar answer :)
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:51
Thanks, I think Lord shark the unknown also said a similar answer :)
â jeea
Aug 30 at 3:51
Thanks, I think Lord shark the unknown also said a similar answer :)
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