Limit as $(x,y,z)to (0,0,0)$ of $f(x,y,z) = dfracxy+yz+xzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$

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To find this limit, I converted to spherical coordinates and rewrote:



$$lim_rto 0 dfracr^2(sin^2theta cosphi sin phi + sintheta cos theta sin phi + sintheta cos theta cos phi)r = 0$$



Is this method alright? Our teacher did using epsilon delta proof, so how can we use something similar to spherical coordinates if say we had four variable limit of kind:



$$lim_(w,x,y,z) to (0,0,0,0) fracxy+yz+xz+wx
sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$










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    To find this limit, I converted to spherical coordinates and rewrote:



    $$lim_rto 0 dfracr^2(sin^2theta cosphi sin phi + sintheta cos theta sin phi + sintheta cos theta cos phi)r = 0$$



    Is this method alright? Our teacher did using epsilon delta proof, so how can we use something similar to spherical coordinates if say we had four variable limit of kind:



    $$lim_(w,x,y,z) to (0,0,0,0) fracxy+yz+xz+wx
    sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$










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      To find this limit, I converted to spherical coordinates and rewrote:



      $$lim_rto 0 dfracr^2(sin^2theta cosphi sin phi + sintheta cos theta sin phi + sintheta cos theta cos phi)r = 0$$



      Is this method alright? Our teacher did using epsilon delta proof, so how can we use something similar to spherical coordinates if say we had four variable limit of kind:



      $$lim_(w,x,y,z) to (0,0,0,0) fracxy+yz+xz+wx
      sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$










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      To find this limit, I converted to spherical coordinates and rewrote:



      $$lim_rto 0 dfracr^2(sin^2theta cosphi sin phi + sintheta cos theta sin phi + sintheta cos theta cos phi)r = 0$$



      Is this method alright? Our teacher did using epsilon delta proof, so how can we use something similar to spherical coordinates if say we had four variable limit of kind:



      $$lim_(w,x,y,z) to (0,0,0,0) fracxy+yz+xz+wx
      sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$







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          Using the full spherical coordinates is overkill here. Let $r=sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$.
          Then $|x|le r$, $|y|le r$, $|z|le r$. So
          $$|xy+xz+yz|le|xy|+|xz|+|yz|le 3r^2$$ and so
          $$left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|le 3r.$$
          As $lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)r= 0$ then
          $$lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|=0$$
          also.



          This method works for your four-variable problem too, avoiding
          the minutiae of four-dimensional spherical coordinates.






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          • you are probably right! Thanks :)
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          It can be done. Let
          $$r = sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$
          $$x = rcos(phi_1)$$
          $$y = rsin(phi_1)cos(phi_2)$$
          $$z = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)cos(phi_3)$$
          $$w = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)sin(phi_3).$$
          Note that we transformed the coordinates $(x,y,z,w)$ to spherical coordinates $(r,phi_1,phi_2,phi_3)$ with $phi_1,phi_2$ ranging over $[0,pi]$ and $phi_3$ over $[0,2pi].$
          Then notice that you will get the same simplification as in the three dimension case.






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          • Thanks a lot, how can we be sure that these angle give all possible four dimension points
            – jeea
            Aug 30 at 3:44






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            Check this page out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-sphere#Spherical_coordinates under Spherical Coordinates.
            – Hello_World
            Aug 30 at 3:46










          • good to learn new things
            – jeea
            Aug 30 at 3:51

















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          Notice that $x,y$ and $z$ are less and equal than $sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$ so that



          $$ |xy+yz+xz| leq 3left(sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right)^2.$$



          Hence, by a straightforward application of sandwich theorem, there holds that the aforementioned limit equals zero, since



          $$ 0leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)left|dfracxy+yz+xzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2-0 right|leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)3sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2=0.$$






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          • Thanks, I think Lord shark the unknown also said a similar answer :)
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          Using the full spherical coordinates is overkill here. Let $r=sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$.
          Then $|x|le r$, $|y|le r$, $|z|le r$. So
          $$|xy+xz+yz|le|xy|+|xz|+|yz|le 3r^2$$ and so
          $$left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|le 3r.$$
          As $lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)r= 0$ then
          $$lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|=0$$
          also.



          This method works for your four-variable problem too, avoiding
          the minutiae of four-dimensional spherical coordinates.






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          • you are probably right! Thanks :)
            – jeea
            Aug 30 at 3:45














          up vote
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          accepted










          Using the full spherical coordinates is overkill here. Let $r=sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$.
          Then $|x|le r$, $|y|le r$, $|z|le r$. So
          $$|xy+xz+yz|le|xy|+|xz|+|yz|le 3r^2$$ and so
          $$left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|le 3r.$$
          As $lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)r= 0$ then
          $$lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|=0$$
          also.



          This method works for your four-variable problem too, avoiding
          the minutiae of four-dimensional spherical coordinates.






          share|cite|improve this answer




















          • you are probably right! Thanks :)
            – jeea
            Aug 30 at 3:45












          up vote
          2
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          up vote
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          down vote



          accepted






          Using the full spherical coordinates is overkill here. Let $r=sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$.
          Then $|x|le r$, $|y|le r$, $|z|le r$. So
          $$|xy+xz+yz|le|xy|+|xz|+|yz|le 3r^2$$ and so
          $$left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|le 3r.$$
          As $lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)r= 0$ then
          $$lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|=0$$
          also.



          This method works for your four-variable problem too, avoiding
          the minutiae of four-dimensional spherical coordinates.






          share|cite|improve this answer












          Using the full spherical coordinates is overkill here. Let $r=sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$.
          Then $|x|le r$, $|y|le r$, $|z|le r$. So
          $$|xy+xz+yz|le|xy|+|xz|+|yz|le 3r^2$$ and so
          $$left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|le 3r.$$
          As $lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)r= 0$ then
          $$lim_(x,y,z)to(0,0,0)left|fracxy+xz+yzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right|=0$$
          also.



          This method works for your four-variable problem too, avoiding
          the minutiae of four-dimensional spherical coordinates.







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          • you are probably right! Thanks :)
            – jeea
            Aug 30 at 3:45
















          • you are probably right! Thanks :)
            – jeea
            Aug 30 at 3:45















          you are probably right! Thanks :)
          – jeea
          Aug 30 at 3:45




          you are probably right! Thanks :)
          – jeea
          Aug 30 at 3:45










          up vote
          2
          down vote













          It can be done. Let
          $$r = sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$
          $$x = rcos(phi_1)$$
          $$y = rsin(phi_1)cos(phi_2)$$
          $$z = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)cos(phi_3)$$
          $$w = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)sin(phi_3).$$
          Note that we transformed the coordinates $(x,y,z,w)$ to spherical coordinates $(r,phi_1,phi_2,phi_3)$ with $phi_1,phi_2$ ranging over $[0,pi]$ and $phi_3$ over $[0,2pi].$
          Then notice that you will get the same simplification as in the three dimension case.






          share|cite|improve this answer




















          • Thanks a lot, how can we be sure that these angle give all possible four dimension points
            – jeea
            Aug 30 at 3:44






          • 1




            Check this page out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-sphere#Spherical_coordinates under Spherical Coordinates.
            – Hello_World
            Aug 30 at 3:46










          • good to learn new things
            – jeea
            Aug 30 at 3:51














          up vote
          2
          down vote













          It can be done. Let
          $$r = sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$
          $$x = rcos(phi_1)$$
          $$y = rsin(phi_1)cos(phi_2)$$
          $$z = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)cos(phi_3)$$
          $$w = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)sin(phi_3).$$
          Note that we transformed the coordinates $(x,y,z,w)$ to spherical coordinates $(r,phi_1,phi_2,phi_3)$ with $phi_1,phi_2$ ranging over $[0,pi]$ and $phi_3$ over $[0,2pi].$
          Then notice that you will get the same simplification as in the three dimension case.






          share|cite|improve this answer




















          • Thanks a lot, how can we be sure that these angle give all possible four dimension points
            – jeea
            Aug 30 at 3:44






          • 1




            Check this page out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-sphere#Spherical_coordinates under Spherical Coordinates.
            – Hello_World
            Aug 30 at 3:46










          • good to learn new things
            – jeea
            Aug 30 at 3:51












          up vote
          2
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          up vote
          2
          down vote









          It can be done. Let
          $$r = sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$
          $$x = rcos(phi_1)$$
          $$y = rsin(phi_1)cos(phi_2)$$
          $$z = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)cos(phi_3)$$
          $$w = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)sin(phi_3).$$
          Note that we transformed the coordinates $(x,y,z,w)$ to spherical coordinates $(r,phi_1,phi_2,phi_3)$ with $phi_1,phi_2$ ranging over $[0,pi]$ and $phi_3$ over $[0,2pi].$
          Then notice that you will get the same simplification as in the three dimension case.






          share|cite|improve this answer












          It can be done. Let
          $$r = sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2+w^2$$
          $$x = rcos(phi_1)$$
          $$y = rsin(phi_1)cos(phi_2)$$
          $$z = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)cos(phi_3)$$
          $$w = rsin(phi_1)sin(phi_2)sin(phi_3).$$
          Note that we transformed the coordinates $(x,y,z,w)$ to spherical coordinates $(r,phi_1,phi_2,phi_3)$ with $phi_1,phi_2$ ranging over $[0,pi]$ and $phi_3$ over $[0,2pi].$
          Then notice that you will get the same simplification as in the three dimension case.







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          answered Aug 30 at 3:38









          Hello_World

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          • Thanks a lot, how can we be sure that these angle give all possible four dimension points
            – jeea
            Aug 30 at 3:44






          • 1




            Check this page out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-sphere#Spherical_coordinates under Spherical Coordinates.
            – Hello_World
            Aug 30 at 3:46










          • good to learn new things
            – jeea
            Aug 30 at 3:51
















          • Thanks a lot, how can we be sure that these angle give all possible four dimension points
            – jeea
            Aug 30 at 3:44






          • 1




            Check this page out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-sphere#Spherical_coordinates under Spherical Coordinates.
            – Hello_World
            Aug 30 at 3:46










          • good to learn new things
            – jeea
            Aug 30 at 3:51















          Thanks a lot, how can we be sure that these angle give all possible four dimension points
          – jeea
          Aug 30 at 3:44




          Thanks a lot, how can we be sure that these angle give all possible four dimension points
          – jeea
          Aug 30 at 3:44




          1




          1




          Check this page out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-sphere#Spherical_coordinates under Spherical Coordinates.
          – Hello_World
          Aug 30 at 3:46




          Check this page out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-sphere#Spherical_coordinates under Spherical Coordinates.
          – Hello_World
          Aug 30 at 3:46












          good to learn new things
          – jeea
          Aug 30 at 3:51




          good to learn new things
          – jeea
          Aug 30 at 3:51










          up vote
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          Notice that $x,y$ and $z$ are less and equal than $sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$ so that



          $$ |xy+yz+xz| leq 3left(sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right)^2.$$



          Hence, by a straightforward application of sandwich theorem, there holds that the aforementioned limit equals zero, since



          $$ 0leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)left|dfracxy+yz+xzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2-0 right|leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)3sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2=0.$$






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          • Thanks, I think Lord shark the unknown also said a similar answer :)
            – jeea
            Aug 30 at 3:51














          up vote
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          down vote













          Notice that $x,y$ and $z$ are less and equal than $sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$ so that



          $$ |xy+yz+xz| leq 3left(sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right)^2.$$



          Hence, by a straightforward application of sandwich theorem, there holds that the aforementioned limit equals zero, since



          $$ 0leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)left|dfracxy+yz+xzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2-0 right|leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)3sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2=0.$$






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          • Thanks, I think Lord shark the unknown also said a similar answer :)
            – jeea
            Aug 30 at 3:51












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          up vote
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          Notice that $x,y$ and $z$ are less and equal than $sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$ so that



          $$ |xy+yz+xz| leq 3left(sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right)^2.$$



          Hence, by a straightforward application of sandwich theorem, there holds that the aforementioned limit equals zero, since



          $$ 0leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)left|dfracxy+yz+xzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2-0 right|leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)3sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2=0.$$






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          Notice that $x,y$ and $z$ are less and equal than $sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2$ so that



          $$ |xy+yz+xz| leq 3left(sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2right)^2.$$



          Hence, by a straightforward application of sandwich theorem, there holds that the aforementioned limit equals zero, since



          $$ 0leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)left|dfracxy+yz+xzsqrtx^2+y^2+z^2-0 right|leq lim_(x,y,z)rightarrow (0,0,0)3sqrtx^2+y^2+z^2=0.$$







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          • Thanks, I think Lord shark the unknown also said a similar answer :)
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            Aug 30 at 3:51
















          • Thanks, I think Lord shark the unknown also said a similar answer :)
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            Aug 30 at 3:51















          Thanks, I think Lord shark the unknown also said a similar answer :)
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