Is the image of a locally compact totally disconnected group also locally compact and totally disconnected? [duplicate]

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Let $G$ be a locally compact totally disconnected group and let $phi$ be a surjective homomorphism from $Gto H$ (added later: where $H$ has the topology coinduced by $phi$). Is H also locally compact and totally disconnected? If not is there a homomorphism from such a group to a Lie group?



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    I think you are missing some conditions to pin down the examples/scenario you have in mind. For otherwise, I can cook up silly counterexamples as follows: take $H$ to be your favourite topological group, and then take $G$ to be $H$ equipped with the discrete topology.
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  • Or you can take $H$ to be a single point and $phi$ trivial...
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    @ArturoMagidin using trivial $H$ is not a counterexample, since the trivial group with its only possible topology is totally disconnected (its only connected subsets are points).
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    This question is fully answered here: mathoverflow.net/a/290157/89334 where in particular an example of a (Hausdorff) totally disconnected group with a (Hausdorff) connected quotient is given.
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Let $G$ be a locally compact totally disconnected group and let $phi$ be a surjective homomorphism from $Gto H$ (added later: where $H$ has the topology coinduced by $phi$). Is H also locally compact and totally disconnected? If not is there a homomorphism from such a group to a Lie group?



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    I think you are missing some conditions to pin down the examples/scenario you have in mind. For otherwise, I can cook up silly counterexamples as follows: take $H$ to be your favourite topological group, and then take $G$ to be $H$ equipped with the discrete topology.
    – Yemon Choi
    Aug 30 at 2:02










  • Or you can take $H$ to be a single point and $phi$ trivial...
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    @ArturoMagidin using trivial $H$ is not a counterexample, since the trivial group with its only possible topology is totally disconnected (its only connected subsets are points).
    – KConrad
    Aug 30 at 3:12






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    Downvoting until the OP clarifies what was actually intended, given that the stated question has a trivial/silly counterexample
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    This question is fully answered here: mathoverflow.net/a/290157/89334 where in particular an example of a (Hausdorff) totally disconnected group with a (Hausdorff) connected quotient is given.
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Let $G$ be a locally compact totally disconnected group and let $phi$ be a surjective homomorphism from $Gto H$ (added later: where $H$ has the topology coinduced by $phi$). Is H also locally compact and totally disconnected? If not is there a homomorphism from such a group to a Lie group?



More generally what happens if we remove local compactness? Is total disconnectedness still preserved










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  • 5




    I think you are missing some conditions to pin down the examples/scenario you have in mind. For otherwise, I can cook up silly counterexamples as follows: take $H$ to be your favourite topological group, and then take $G$ to be $H$ equipped with the discrete topology.
    – Yemon Choi
    Aug 30 at 2:02










  • Or you can take $H$ to be a single point and $phi$ trivial...
    – Arturo Magidin
    Aug 30 at 2:26






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    @ArturoMagidin using trivial $H$ is not a counterexample, since the trivial group with its only possible topology is totally disconnected (its only connected subsets are points).
    – KConrad
    Aug 30 at 3:12






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    Downvoting until the OP clarifies what was actually intended, given that the stated question has a trivial/silly counterexample
    – Yemon Choi
    Aug 30 at 11:42






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    This question is fully answered here: mathoverflow.net/a/290157/89334 where in particular an example of a (Hausdorff) totally disconnected group with a (Hausdorff) connected quotient is given.
    – Uri Bader
    Sep 1 at 16:05












  • 5




    I think you are missing some conditions to pin down the examples/scenario you have in mind. For otherwise, I can cook up silly counterexamples as follows: take $H$ to be your favourite topological group, and then take $G$ to be $H$ equipped with the discrete topology.
    – Yemon Choi
    Aug 30 at 2:02










  • Or you can take $H$ to be a single point and $phi$ trivial...
    – Arturo Magidin
    Aug 30 at 2:26






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    @ArturoMagidin using trivial $H$ is not a counterexample, since the trivial group with its only possible topology is totally disconnected (its only connected subsets are points).
    – KConrad
    Aug 30 at 3:12






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    Downvoting until the OP clarifies what was actually intended, given that the stated question has a trivial/silly counterexample
    – Yemon Choi
    Aug 30 at 11:42






  • 2




    This question is fully answered here: mathoverflow.net/a/290157/89334 where in particular an example of a (Hausdorff) totally disconnected group with a (Hausdorff) connected quotient is given.
    – Uri Bader
    Sep 1 at 16:05







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I think you are missing some conditions to pin down the examples/scenario you have in mind. For otherwise, I can cook up silly counterexamples as follows: take $H$ to be your favourite topological group, and then take $G$ to be $H$ equipped with the discrete topology.
– Yemon Choi
Aug 30 at 2:02




I think you are missing some conditions to pin down the examples/scenario you have in mind. For otherwise, I can cook up silly counterexamples as follows: take $H$ to be your favourite topological group, and then take $G$ to be $H$ equipped with the discrete topology.
– Yemon Choi
Aug 30 at 2:02












Or you can take $H$ to be a single point and $phi$ trivial...
– Arturo Magidin
Aug 30 at 2:26




Or you can take $H$ to be a single point and $phi$ trivial...
– Arturo Magidin
Aug 30 at 2:26




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@ArturoMagidin using trivial $H$ is not a counterexample, since the trivial group with its only possible topology is totally disconnected (its only connected subsets are points).
– KConrad
Aug 30 at 3:12




@ArturoMagidin using trivial $H$ is not a counterexample, since the trivial group with its only possible topology is totally disconnected (its only connected subsets are points).
– KConrad
Aug 30 at 3:12




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Downvoting until the OP clarifies what was actually intended, given that the stated question has a trivial/silly counterexample
– Yemon Choi
Aug 30 at 11:42




Downvoting until the OP clarifies what was actually intended, given that the stated question has a trivial/silly counterexample
– Yemon Choi
Aug 30 at 11:42




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This question is fully answered here: mathoverflow.net/a/290157/89334 where in particular an example of a (Hausdorff) totally disconnected group with a (Hausdorff) connected quotient is given.
– Uri Bader
Sep 1 at 16:05




This question is fully answered here: mathoverflow.net/a/290157/89334 where in particular an example of a (Hausdorff) totally disconnected group with a (Hausdorff) connected quotient is given.
– Uri Bader
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The quotient group $H$ will be totally disconnected and locally compact if it is Hausdorff (or at least $T_1$) and $H$ inherits the quotient topology.



Let $phi: Gto H$ be a surjective homomorphism of Hausdorff topological groups, $G$ locally compact and totally disconnected. Let $1, h in H$, and $1in U, hnotin U$, $U subset H$ an open subset. Then $phi^-1(U)$ is an open subset of $G$, saturated by cosets of the closed normal subgroup $phi^-1(1)= N lhd G$. Then $1in G$ has a basis of clopen subgroup neighborhoods, so we can find $C < G$ clopen with $C subset phi^-1(U)$. Then $Ccdot N subset phi^-1(U)$ is an open subgroup, hence $Ccdot N$ is closed (the union of its non-trivial cosets is an open complement). Moreover $phi$ is an open map, and $1 in phi(C), hin phi(G-Ccdot N)$ are clopen sets separating $1$ from $h$. Hence $H$ is totally disconnected.



On the other hand, if $H$ is not Hausdorff, then it might be connected. For example, $mathbbZ_p/mathbbZ$ has the trivial quotient topology, since $
mathbbZ$ is dense. Usually topological groups are required to be Hausdorff, so I'm not sure if you were allowing this pathology.






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    No [Update: well, the answer was no to the original question, but the OP later without comment edited the question in a way that invalidates this answer.] . Let $mu_p^infty$ be the group of $p$th-power roots of unity in $mathbf C^times$, with the topology it gets as a subset of $mathbf C^times$. This group is not locally compact, since there is no compact neighborhood of 1 in $mu_p^infty$: a nonempty compact Hausdorff space without isolated points is uncountable, while the full group $mu_p^infty$ is countable. We'll show $mu_p^infty$ with its topology inside $mathbf C^times$ is the image of $mathbf Q_p$ under a continuous homomorphism.



    Set $chi colon mathbf Q_p rightarrow mu_p^infty$ by
    $chi(x) = e^2pi ix_p$, where $x_p$ is the $p$-adic fractional part of the $p$-adic number $x$. This $chi$ is a homomorphism with kernel $mathbf Z_p$, which is open in $mathbf Q_p$, so $chi$ is locally constant on $mathbf Q_p$ and thus is continuous. It is surjective since for $0 leq a < p^n$ we have $e^2pi i a/p^n = chi(a/p^n)$.



    Remark: as abstract groups $mu_p^infty cong mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$, but as topological groups they are not the same since $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ (with its quotient topology) has the discrete topology. The group $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ with its discrete topology is locally compact and totally disconnected, so that would not provide a counterexample for your question.






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    • After some fiddling I agree this does fit Yemon's scenario: replacing the domain of $chi$ with its quotient by the kernel equipped with the quotient topology, the domain becomes $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ as a discrete group.
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    A rather trivial counterexample: Take $H$ to be your favourite topological group that fails to be locally compact and/or totally disconnected; take $G$ to be $H$ with the discrete topology. Then $G$ is locally compact and totally disconnected (any discrete space is both), and the identity function $G to H$ is a continuous surjective homomorphism.



    So in sum: Neither local compactness nor total disconnectedness is preserved under images, either separately or together.



    Edit: I notice after posting that Yemon Choi already posted this in comments; but since it answers the question, I’ll leave this up unless Yemon would prefer to make it an answer himself.






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      Thanks Peter. TBH I was hoping that the OP would amend and am a bit surprised that several users have seen fit to give elaborate answers when there was a trivial counterexample.
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    The quotient group $H$ will be totally disconnected and locally compact if it is Hausdorff (or at least $T_1$) and $H$ inherits the quotient topology.



    Let $phi: Gto H$ be a surjective homomorphism of Hausdorff topological groups, $G$ locally compact and totally disconnected. Let $1, h in H$, and $1in U, hnotin U$, $U subset H$ an open subset. Then $phi^-1(U)$ is an open subset of $G$, saturated by cosets of the closed normal subgroup $phi^-1(1)= N lhd G$. Then $1in G$ has a basis of clopen subgroup neighborhoods, so we can find $C < G$ clopen with $C subset phi^-1(U)$. Then $Ccdot N subset phi^-1(U)$ is an open subgroup, hence $Ccdot N$ is closed (the union of its non-trivial cosets is an open complement). Moreover $phi$ is an open map, and $1 in phi(C), hin phi(G-Ccdot N)$ are clopen sets separating $1$ from $h$. Hence $H$ is totally disconnected.



    On the other hand, if $H$ is not Hausdorff, then it might be connected. For example, $mathbbZ_p/mathbbZ$ has the trivial quotient topology, since $
    mathbbZ$ is dense. Usually topological groups are required to be Hausdorff, so I'm not sure if you were allowing this pathology.






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      The quotient group $H$ will be totally disconnected and locally compact if it is Hausdorff (or at least $T_1$) and $H$ inherits the quotient topology.



      Let $phi: Gto H$ be a surjective homomorphism of Hausdorff topological groups, $G$ locally compact and totally disconnected. Let $1, h in H$, and $1in U, hnotin U$, $U subset H$ an open subset. Then $phi^-1(U)$ is an open subset of $G$, saturated by cosets of the closed normal subgroup $phi^-1(1)= N lhd G$. Then $1in G$ has a basis of clopen subgroup neighborhoods, so we can find $C < G$ clopen with $C subset phi^-1(U)$. Then $Ccdot N subset phi^-1(U)$ is an open subgroup, hence $Ccdot N$ is closed (the union of its non-trivial cosets is an open complement). Moreover $phi$ is an open map, and $1 in phi(C), hin phi(G-Ccdot N)$ are clopen sets separating $1$ from $h$. Hence $H$ is totally disconnected.



      On the other hand, if $H$ is not Hausdorff, then it might be connected. For example, $mathbbZ_p/mathbbZ$ has the trivial quotient topology, since $
      mathbbZ$ is dense. Usually topological groups are required to be Hausdorff, so I'm not sure if you were allowing this pathology.






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        The quotient group $H$ will be totally disconnected and locally compact if it is Hausdorff (or at least $T_1$) and $H$ inherits the quotient topology.



        Let $phi: Gto H$ be a surjective homomorphism of Hausdorff topological groups, $G$ locally compact and totally disconnected. Let $1, h in H$, and $1in U, hnotin U$, $U subset H$ an open subset. Then $phi^-1(U)$ is an open subset of $G$, saturated by cosets of the closed normal subgroup $phi^-1(1)= N lhd G$. Then $1in G$ has a basis of clopen subgroup neighborhoods, so we can find $C < G$ clopen with $C subset phi^-1(U)$. Then $Ccdot N subset phi^-1(U)$ is an open subgroup, hence $Ccdot N$ is closed (the union of its non-trivial cosets is an open complement). Moreover $phi$ is an open map, and $1 in phi(C), hin phi(G-Ccdot N)$ are clopen sets separating $1$ from $h$. Hence $H$ is totally disconnected.



        On the other hand, if $H$ is not Hausdorff, then it might be connected. For example, $mathbbZ_p/mathbbZ$ has the trivial quotient topology, since $
        mathbbZ$ is dense. Usually topological groups are required to be Hausdorff, so I'm not sure if you were allowing this pathology.






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        The quotient group $H$ will be totally disconnected and locally compact if it is Hausdorff (or at least $T_1$) and $H$ inherits the quotient topology.



        Let $phi: Gto H$ be a surjective homomorphism of Hausdorff topological groups, $G$ locally compact and totally disconnected. Let $1, h in H$, and $1in U, hnotin U$, $U subset H$ an open subset. Then $phi^-1(U)$ is an open subset of $G$, saturated by cosets of the closed normal subgroup $phi^-1(1)= N lhd G$. Then $1in G$ has a basis of clopen subgroup neighborhoods, so we can find $C < G$ clopen with $C subset phi^-1(U)$. Then $Ccdot N subset phi^-1(U)$ is an open subgroup, hence $Ccdot N$ is closed (the union of its non-trivial cosets is an open complement). Moreover $phi$ is an open map, and $1 in phi(C), hin phi(G-Ccdot N)$ are clopen sets separating $1$ from $h$. Hence $H$ is totally disconnected.



        On the other hand, if $H$ is not Hausdorff, then it might be connected. For example, $mathbbZ_p/mathbbZ$ has the trivial quotient topology, since $
        mathbbZ$ is dense. Usually topological groups are required to be Hausdorff, so I'm not sure if you were allowing this pathology.







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            No [Update: well, the answer was no to the original question, but the OP later without comment edited the question in a way that invalidates this answer.] . Let $mu_p^infty$ be the group of $p$th-power roots of unity in $mathbf C^times$, with the topology it gets as a subset of $mathbf C^times$. This group is not locally compact, since there is no compact neighborhood of 1 in $mu_p^infty$: a nonempty compact Hausdorff space without isolated points is uncountable, while the full group $mu_p^infty$ is countable. We'll show $mu_p^infty$ with its topology inside $mathbf C^times$ is the image of $mathbf Q_p$ under a continuous homomorphism.



            Set $chi colon mathbf Q_p rightarrow mu_p^infty$ by
            $chi(x) = e^2pi ix_p$, where $x_p$ is the $p$-adic fractional part of the $p$-adic number $x$. This $chi$ is a homomorphism with kernel $mathbf Z_p$, which is open in $mathbf Q_p$, so $chi$ is locally constant on $mathbf Q_p$ and thus is continuous. It is surjective since for $0 leq a < p^n$ we have $e^2pi i a/p^n = chi(a/p^n)$.



            Remark: as abstract groups $mu_p^infty cong mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$, but as topological groups they are not the same since $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ (with its quotient topology) has the discrete topology. The group $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ with its discrete topology is locally compact and totally disconnected, so that would not provide a counterexample for your question.






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            • This is a special instance of the general principle commented above by @Yemon Choi.
              – Uri Bader
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            • After some fiddling I agree this does fit Yemon's scenario: replacing the domain of $chi$ with its quotient by the kernel equipped with the quotient topology, the domain becomes $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ as a discrete group.
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            No [Update: well, the answer was no to the original question, but the OP later without comment edited the question in a way that invalidates this answer.] . Let $mu_p^infty$ be the group of $p$th-power roots of unity in $mathbf C^times$, with the topology it gets as a subset of $mathbf C^times$. This group is not locally compact, since there is no compact neighborhood of 1 in $mu_p^infty$: a nonempty compact Hausdorff space without isolated points is uncountable, while the full group $mu_p^infty$ is countable. We'll show $mu_p^infty$ with its topology inside $mathbf C^times$ is the image of $mathbf Q_p$ under a continuous homomorphism.



            Set $chi colon mathbf Q_p rightarrow mu_p^infty$ by
            $chi(x) = e^2pi ix_p$, where $x_p$ is the $p$-adic fractional part of the $p$-adic number $x$. This $chi$ is a homomorphism with kernel $mathbf Z_p$, which is open in $mathbf Q_p$, so $chi$ is locally constant on $mathbf Q_p$ and thus is continuous. It is surjective since for $0 leq a < p^n$ we have $e^2pi i a/p^n = chi(a/p^n)$.



            Remark: as abstract groups $mu_p^infty cong mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$, but as topological groups they are not the same since $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ (with its quotient topology) has the discrete topology. The group $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ with its discrete topology is locally compact and totally disconnected, so that would not provide a counterexample for your question.






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            • This is a special instance of the general principle commented above by @Yemon Choi.
              – Uri Bader
              Sep 1 at 16:09










            • After some fiddling I agree this does fit Yemon's scenario: replacing the domain of $chi$ with its quotient by the kernel equipped with the quotient topology, the domain becomes $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ as a discrete group.
              – KConrad
              Sep 2 at 1:38












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            No [Update: well, the answer was no to the original question, but the OP later without comment edited the question in a way that invalidates this answer.] . Let $mu_p^infty$ be the group of $p$th-power roots of unity in $mathbf C^times$, with the topology it gets as a subset of $mathbf C^times$. This group is not locally compact, since there is no compact neighborhood of 1 in $mu_p^infty$: a nonempty compact Hausdorff space without isolated points is uncountable, while the full group $mu_p^infty$ is countable. We'll show $mu_p^infty$ with its topology inside $mathbf C^times$ is the image of $mathbf Q_p$ under a continuous homomorphism.



            Set $chi colon mathbf Q_p rightarrow mu_p^infty$ by
            $chi(x) = e^2pi ix_p$, where $x_p$ is the $p$-adic fractional part of the $p$-adic number $x$. This $chi$ is a homomorphism with kernel $mathbf Z_p$, which is open in $mathbf Q_p$, so $chi$ is locally constant on $mathbf Q_p$ and thus is continuous. It is surjective since for $0 leq a < p^n$ we have $e^2pi i a/p^n = chi(a/p^n)$.



            Remark: as abstract groups $mu_p^infty cong mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$, but as topological groups they are not the same since $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ (with its quotient topology) has the discrete topology. The group $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ with its discrete topology is locally compact and totally disconnected, so that would not provide a counterexample for your question.






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            No [Update: well, the answer was no to the original question, but the OP later without comment edited the question in a way that invalidates this answer.] . Let $mu_p^infty$ be the group of $p$th-power roots of unity in $mathbf C^times$, with the topology it gets as a subset of $mathbf C^times$. This group is not locally compact, since there is no compact neighborhood of 1 in $mu_p^infty$: a nonempty compact Hausdorff space without isolated points is uncountable, while the full group $mu_p^infty$ is countable. We'll show $mu_p^infty$ with its topology inside $mathbf C^times$ is the image of $mathbf Q_p$ under a continuous homomorphism.



            Set $chi colon mathbf Q_p rightarrow mu_p^infty$ by
            $chi(x) = e^2pi ix_p$, where $x_p$ is the $p$-adic fractional part of the $p$-adic number $x$. This $chi$ is a homomorphism with kernel $mathbf Z_p$, which is open in $mathbf Q_p$, so $chi$ is locally constant on $mathbf Q_p$ and thus is continuous. It is surjective since for $0 leq a < p^n$ we have $e^2pi i a/p^n = chi(a/p^n)$.



            Remark: as abstract groups $mu_p^infty cong mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$, but as topological groups they are not the same since $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ (with its quotient topology) has the discrete topology. The group $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ with its discrete topology is locally compact and totally disconnected, so that would not provide a counterexample for your question.







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            • This is a special instance of the general principle commented above by @Yemon Choi.
              – Uri Bader
              Sep 1 at 16:09










            • After some fiddling I agree this does fit Yemon's scenario: replacing the domain of $chi$ with its quotient by the kernel equipped with the quotient topology, the domain becomes $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ as a discrete group.
              – KConrad
              Sep 2 at 1:38
















            • This is a special instance of the general principle commented above by @Yemon Choi.
              – Uri Bader
              Sep 1 at 16:09










            • After some fiddling I agree this does fit Yemon's scenario: replacing the domain of $chi$ with its quotient by the kernel equipped with the quotient topology, the domain becomes $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ as a discrete group.
              – KConrad
              Sep 2 at 1:38















            This is a special instance of the general principle commented above by @Yemon Choi.
            – Uri Bader
            Sep 1 at 16:09




            This is a special instance of the general principle commented above by @Yemon Choi.
            – Uri Bader
            Sep 1 at 16:09












            After some fiddling I agree this does fit Yemon's scenario: replacing the domain of $chi$ with its quotient by the kernel equipped with the quotient topology, the domain becomes $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ as a discrete group.
            – KConrad
            Sep 2 at 1:38




            After some fiddling I agree this does fit Yemon's scenario: replacing the domain of $chi$ with its quotient by the kernel equipped with the quotient topology, the domain becomes $mathbf Q_p/mathbf Z_p$ as a discrete group.
            – KConrad
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            A rather trivial counterexample: Take $H$ to be your favourite topological group that fails to be locally compact and/or totally disconnected; take $G$ to be $H$ with the discrete topology. Then $G$ is locally compact and totally disconnected (any discrete space is both), and the identity function $G to H$ is a continuous surjective homomorphism.



            So in sum: Neither local compactness nor total disconnectedness is preserved under images, either separately or together.



            Edit: I notice after posting that Yemon Choi already posted this in comments; but since it answers the question, I’ll leave this up unless Yemon would prefer to make it an answer himself.






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              Thanks Peter. TBH I was hoping that the OP would amend and am a bit surprised that several users have seen fit to give elaborate answers when there was a trivial counterexample.
              – Yemon Choi
              Aug 30 at 11:41










            • @YemonChoi and my elaborate answer wasn't even right ...
              – Nik Weaver
              Aug 30 at 12:52















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            A rather trivial counterexample: Take $H$ to be your favourite topological group that fails to be locally compact and/or totally disconnected; take $G$ to be $H$ with the discrete topology. Then $G$ is locally compact and totally disconnected (any discrete space is both), and the identity function $G to H$ is a continuous surjective homomorphism.



            So in sum: Neither local compactness nor total disconnectedness is preserved under images, either separately or together.



            Edit: I notice after posting that Yemon Choi already posted this in comments; but since it answers the question, I’ll leave this up unless Yemon would prefer to make it an answer himself.






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              Thanks Peter. TBH I was hoping that the OP would amend and am a bit surprised that several users have seen fit to give elaborate answers when there was a trivial counterexample.
              – Yemon Choi
              Aug 30 at 11:41










            • @YemonChoi and my elaborate answer wasn't even right ...
              – Nik Weaver
              Aug 30 at 12:52













            up vote
            4
            down vote










            up vote
            4
            down vote









            A rather trivial counterexample: Take $H$ to be your favourite topological group that fails to be locally compact and/or totally disconnected; take $G$ to be $H$ with the discrete topology. Then $G$ is locally compact and totally disconnected (any discrete space is both), and the identity function $G to H$ is a continuous surjective homomorphism.



            So in sum: Neither local compactness nor total disconnectedness is preserved under images, either separately or together.



            Edit: I notice after posting that Yemon Choi already posted this in comments; but since it answers the question, I’ll leave this up unless Yemon would prefer to make it an answer himself.






            share|cite|improve this answer














            A rather trivial counterexample: Take $H$ to be your favourite topological group that fails to be locally compact and/or totally disconnected; take $G$ to be $H$ with the discrete topology. Then $G$ is locally compact and totally disconnected (any discrete space is both), and the identity function $G to H$ is a continuous surjective homomorphism.



            So in sum: Neither local compactness nor total disconnectedness is preserved under images, either separately or together.



            Edit: I notice after posting that Yemon Choi already posted this in comments; but since it answers the question, I’ll leave this up unless Yemon would prefer to make it an answer himself.







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            answered Aug 30 at 10:27









            Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine

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              Thanks Peter. TBH I was hoping that the OP would amend and am a bit surprised that several users have seen fit to give elaborate answers when there was a trivial counterexample.
              – Yemon Choi
              Aug 30 at 11:41










            • @YemonChoi and my elaborate answer wasn't even right ...
              – Nik Weaver
              Aug 30 at 12:52













            • 2




              Thanks Peter. TBH I was hoping that the OP would amend and am a bit surprised that several users have seen fit to give elaborate answers when there was a trivial counterexample.
              – Yemon Choi
              Aug 30 at 11:41










            • @YemonChoi and my elaborate answer wasn't even right ...
              – Nik Weaver
              Aug 30 at 12:52








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            Thanks Peter. TBH I was hoping that the OP would amend and am a bit surprised that several users have seen fit to give elaborate answers when there was a trivial counterexample.
            – Yemon Choi
            Aug 30 at 11:41




            Thanks Peter. TBH I was hoping that the OP would amend and am a bit surprised that several users have seen fit to give elaborate answers when there was a trivial counterexample.
            – Yemon Choi
            Aug 30 at 11:41












            @YemonChoi and my elaborate answer wasn't even right ...
            – Nik Weaver
            Aug 30 at 12:52





            @YemonChoi and my elaborate answer wasn't even right ...
            – Nik Weaver
            Aug 30 at 12:52



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