Need help in proving $cup_n=1^infty X(omega) leq x_n = omega in Omega $
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While solving a problem , I got stuck on the following step: For $A_n = X(omega) leq x_n $ where $x_n$ is an increasing sequence of real numbers converging to say, $x$.
I need to show that union of these $A_n$s is equal to the set $ A= omega in Omega $.
My attempt has been as follows:.
I first showed that the union is contained in this set by taking an element in the union and using that $x_n < x$. But now I'm stuck on proving the other inclusion.
Please help.
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While solving a problem , I got stuck on the following step: For $A_n = X(omega) leq x_n $ where $x_n$ is an increasing sequence of real numbers converging to say, $x$.
I need to show that union of these $A_n$s is equal to the set $ A= omega in Omega $.
My attempt has been as follows:.
I first showed that the union is contained in this set by taking an element in the union and using that $x_n < x$. But now I'm stuck on proving the other inclusion.
Please help.
elementary-set-theory proof-verification
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If $X(omega)<x$, set $varepsilon=x-X(omega)$. Since $x_nrightarrow x$, there exists $n$ such that $x-x_n<varepsilon$, so $X(omega)<x_n$.
â SMM
Sep 3 at 11:59
Little note: for this to be true, $x_n$ must be strictly increasing.
â Riccardo Ceccon
Sep 3 at 12:16
My stupid question: what is $X(omega)$?
â Le Anh Dung
Sep 3 at 12:18
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@LeAnhDung $X$ is in this context a function $Omegatomathbb R$. So for a fixed $omegainOmega$ here $X(omega)$ is an element of $mathbb R$.
â drhab
Sep 3 at 12:26
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While solving a problem , I got stuck on the following step: For $A_n = X(omega) leq x_n $ where $x_n$ is an increasing sequence of real numbers converging to say, $x$.
I need to show that union of these $A_n$s is equal to the set $ A= omega in Omega $.
My attempt has been as follows:.
I first showed that the union is contained in this set by taking an element in the union and using that $x_n < x$. But now I'm stuck on proving the other inclusion.
Please help.
elementary-set-theory proof-verification
While solving a problem , I got stuck on the following step: For $A_n = X(omega) leq x_n $ where $x_n$ is an increasing sequence of real numbers converging to say, $x$.
I need to show that union of these $A_n$s is equal to the set $ A= omega in Omega $.
My attempt has been as follows:.
I first showed that the union is contained in this set by taking an element in the union and using that $x_n < x$. But now I'm stuck on proving the other inclusion.
Please help.
elementary-set-theory proof-verification
elementary-set-theory proof-verification
asked Sep 3 at 11:54
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If $X(omega)<x$, set $varepsilon=x-X(omega)$. Since $x_nrightarrow x$, there exists $n$ such that $x-x_n<varepsilon$, so $X(omega)<x_n$.
â SMM
Sep 3 at 11:59
Little note: for this to be true, $x_n$ must be strictly increasing.
â Riccardo Ceccon
Sep 3 at 12:16
My stupid question: what is $X(omega)$?
â Le Anh Dung
Sep 3 at 12:18
1
@LeAnhDung $X$ is in this context a function $Omegatomathbb R$. So for a fixed $omegainOmega$ here $X(omega)$ is an element of $mathbb R$.
â drhab
Sep 3 at 12:26
add a comment |Â
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If $X(omega)<x$, set $varepsilon=x-X(omega)$. Since $x_nrightarrow x$, there exists $n$ such that $x-x_n<varepsilon$, so $X(omega)<x_n$.
â SMM
Sep 3 at 11:59
Little note: for this to be true, $x_n$ must be strictly increasing.
â Riccardo Ceccon
Sep 3 at 12:16
My stupid question: what is $X(omega)$?
â Le Anh Dung
Sep 3 at 12:18
1
@LeAnhDung $X$ is in this context a function $Omegatomathbb R$. So for a fixed $omegainOmega$ here $X(omega)$ is an element of $mathbb R$.
â drhab
Sep 3 at 12:26
1
1
If $X(omega)<x$, set $varepsilon=x-X(omega)$. Since $x_nrightarrow x$, there exists $n$ such that $x-x_n<varepsilon$, so $X(omega)<x_n$.
â SMM
Sep 3 at 11:59
If $X(omega)<x$, set $varepsilon=x-X(omega)$. Since $x_nrightarrow x$, there exists $n$ such that $x-x_n<varepsilon$, so $X(omega)<x_n$.
â SMM
Sep 3 at 11:59
Little note: for this to be true, $x_n$ must be strictly increasing.
â Riccardo Ceccon
Sep 3 at 12:16
Little note: for this to be true, $x_n$ must be strictly increasing.
â Riccardo Ceccon
Sep 3 at 12:16
My stupid question: what is $X(omega)$?
â Le Anh Dung
Sep 3 at 12:18
My stupid question: what is $X(omega)$?
â Le Anh Dung
Sep 3 at 12:18
1
1
@LeAnhDung $X$ is in this context a function $Omegatomathbb R$. So for a fixed $omegainOmega$ here $X(omega)$ is an element of $mathbb R$.
â drhab
Sep 3 at 12:26
@LeAnhDung $X$ is in this context a function $Omegatomathbb R$. So for a fixed $omegainOmega$ here $X(omega)$ is an element of $mathbb R$.
â drhab
Sep 3 at 12:26
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Let $omegain A$ or equivalently let $X(omega)<x$.
Then for $n$ large enough we will have $X(omega)leq x_nleq x$ because $x_n$ converges to $x$, so that $xin A_n$.
(Observe that $x_n<X(omega)<x$ for every $n$ implies that $x_n$ does not converge to $x$ because in that case $x-x_n>x-X(omega)>0$ for every $n$)
This shows that: $$Asubseteqbigcup_n=1^inftyA_n$$
Remark: the other inclusion is valid under at least one of the following extra conditions:
- $omegainOmegamid X(omega)=x=varnothing$.
- for every $n$ we have $x_nneq x$ (hence $x_n<x$ in this context).
The second condition will be satisfied if $x_n$ is strictly increasing. Increasing only is not enough.
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Let $y<x$. As the sequence converges to $x$ there is an $n$ such that $|x_m-x|<(x-y)$ whenever $mge n$. But then $y<x_m$ for all those $m$.
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2 Answers
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
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active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
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up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Let $omegain A$ or equivalently let $X(omega)<x$.
Then for $n$ large enough we will have $X(omega)leq x_nleq x$ because $x_n$ converges to $x$, so that $xin A_n$.
(Observe that $x_n<X(omega)<x$ for every $n$ implies that $x_n$ does not converge to $x$ because in that case $x-x_n>x-X(omega)>0$ for every $n$)
This shows that: $$Asubseteqbigcup_n=1^inftyA_n$$
Remark: the other inclusion is valid under at least one of the following extra conditions:
- $omegainOmegamid X(omega)=x=varnothing$.
- for every $n$ we have $x_nneq x$ (hence $x_n<x$ in this context).
The second condition will be satisfied if $x_n$ is strictly increasing. Increasing only is not enough.
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Let $omegain A$ or equivalently let $X(omega)<x$.
Then for $n$ large enough we will have $X(omega)leq x_nleq x$ because $x_n$ converges to $x$, so that $xin A_n$.
(Observe that $x_n<X(omega)<x$ for every $n$ implies that $x_n$ does not converge to $x$ because in that case $x-x_n>x-X(omega)>0$ for every $n$)
This shows that: $$Asubseteqbigcup_n=1^inftyA_n$$
Remark: the other inclusion is valid under at least one of the following extra conditions:
- $omegainOmegamid X(omega)=x=varnothing$.
- for every $n$ we have $x_nneq x$ (hence $x_n<x$ in this context).
The second condition will be satisfied if $x_n$ is strictly increasing. Increasing only is not enough.
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Let $omegain A$ or equivalently let $X(omega)<x$.
Then for $n$ large enough we will have $X(omega)leq x_nleq x$ because $x_n$ converges to $x$, so that $xin A_n$.
(Observe that $x_n<X(omega)<x$ for every $n$ implies that $x_n$ does not converge to $x$ because in that case $x-x_n>x-X(omega)>0$ for every $n$)
This shows that: $$Asubseteqbigcup_n=1^inftyA_n$$
Remark: the other inclusion is valid under at least one of the following extra conditions:
- $omegainOmegamid X(omega)=x=varnothing$.
- for every $n$ we have $x_nneq x$ (hence $x_n<x$ in this context).
The second condition will be satisfied if $x_n$ is strictly increasing. Increasing only is not enough.
Let $omegain A$ or equivalently let $X(omega)<x$.
Then for $n$ large enough we will have $X(omega)leq x_nleq x$ because $x_n$ converges to $x$, so that $xin A_n$.
(Observe that $x_n<X(omega)<x$ for every $n$ implies that $x_n$ does not converge to $x$ because in that case $x-x_n>x-X(omega)>0$ for every $n$)
This shows that: $$Asubseteqbigcup_n=1^inftyA_n$$
Remark: the other inclusion is valid under at least one of the following extra conditions:
- $omegainOmegamid X(omega)=x=varnothing$.
- for every $n$ we have $x_nneq x$ (hence $x_n<x$ in this context).
The second condition will be satisfied if $x_n$ is strictly increasing. Increasing only is not enough.
edited Sep 3 at 12:29
answered Sep 3 at 12:07
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Let $y<x$. As the sequence converges to $x$ there is an $n$ such that $|x_m-x|<(x-y)$ whenever $mge n$. But then $y<x_m$ for all those $m$.
add a comment |Â
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1
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Let $y<x$. As the sequence converges to $x$ there is an $n$ such that $|x_m-x|<(x-y)$ whenever $mge n$. But then $y<x_m$ for all those $m$.
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Let $y<x$. As the sequence converges to $x$ there is an $n$ such that $|x_m-x|<(x-y)$ whenever $mge n$. But then $y<x_m$ for all those $m$.
Let $y<x$. As the sequence converges to $x$ there is an $n$ such that $|x_m-x|<(x-y)$ whenever $mge n$. But then $y<x_m$ for all those $m$.
answered Sep 3 at 11:58
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If $X(omega)<x$, set $varepsilon=x-X(omega)$. Since $x_nrightarrow x$, there exists $n$ such that $x-x_n<varepsilon$, so $X(omega)<x_n$.
â SMM
Sep 3 at 11:59
Little note: for this to be true, $x_n$ must be strictly increasing.
â Riccardo Ceccon
Sep 3 at 12:16
My stupid question: what is $X(omega)$?
â Le Anh Dung
Sep 3 at 12:18
1
@LeAnhDung $X$ is in this context a function $Omegatomathbb R$. So for a fixed $omegainOmega$ here $X(omega)$ is an element of $mathbb R$.
â drhab
Sep 3 at 12:26