How does the next step conclude from the previous one?
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This is the proof for the Squeeze theorem for integrals.
But in the last line, it is written that "Now, we can easily see that...", but I just cannot find out how $$|S(f,P_n)-S(f,P_n-1)|<frac1n$$ from the previous two inequalities.
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This is the proof for the Squeeze theorem for integrals.
But in the last line, it is written that "Now, we can easily see that...", but I just cannot find out how $$|S(f,P_n)-S(f,P_n-1)|<frac1n$$ from the previous two inequalities.
integration proof-explanation riemann-integration
Prior to the statement you are unsure about, there is no mention of the function $f$. I think you need to show the complete proof, because I need to see what role $f$ is playing. As it stands, $omega_n$ and $alpha_n$ seem unrelated to $f$.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:40
@ðÃÂÃÂþýòÃÂûûðþûþÃÂüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó, thanks, done!
â Aditya Agarwal
Sep 3 at 14:47
Thank you for the edit.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:49
Sorry for the second question : does $S(f,P_n)$ refer to the upper/lower Riemann sum? Can you add a complete definition if possible? I feel it is just a case of playing around with these objects, but I need the definitions.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:53
@ðÃÂÃÂþýòÃÂûûðþûþÃÂüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_integral#Riemann_sums
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This is the proof for the Squeeze theorem for integrals.
But in the last line, it is written that "Now, we can easily see that...", but I just cannot find out how $$|S(f,P_n)-S(f,P_n-1)|<frac1n$$ from the previous two inequalities.
integration proof-explanation riemann-integration
This is the proof for the Squeeze theorem for integrals.
But in the last line, it is written that "Now, we can easily see that...", but I just cannot find out how $$|S(f,P_n)-S(f,P_n-1)|<frac1n$$ from the previous two inequalities.
integration proof-explanation riemann-integration
integration proof-explanation riemann-integration
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Prior to the statement you are unsure about, there is no mention of the function $f$. I think you need to show the complete proof, because I need to see what role $f$ is playing. As it stands, $omega_n$ and $alpha_n$ seem unrelated to $f$.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:40
@ðÃÂÃÂþýòÃÂûûðþûþÃÂüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó, thanks, done!
â Aditya Agarwal
Sep 3 at 14:47
Thank you for the edit.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:49
Sorry for the second question : does $S(f,P_n)$ refer to the upper/lower Riemann sum? Can you add a complete definition if possible? I feel it is just a case of playing around with these objects, but I need the definitions.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:53
@ðÃÂÃÂþýòÃÂûûðþûþÃÂüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_integral#Riemann_sums
â Aditya Agarwal
Sep 3 at 14:55
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Prior to the statement you are unsure about, there is no mention of the function $f$. I think you need to show the complete proof, because I need to see what role $f$ is playing. As it stands, $omega_n$ and $alpha_n$ seem unrelated to $f$.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:40
@ðÃÂÃÂþýòÃÂûûðþûþÃÂüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó, thanks, done!
â Aditya Agarwal
Sep 3 at 14:47
Thank you for the edit.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:49
Sorry for the second question : does $S(f,P_n)$ refer to the upper/lower Riemann sum? Can you add a complete definition if possible? I feel it is just a case of playing around with these objects, but I need the definitions.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:53
@ðÃÂÃÂþýòÃÂûûðþûþÃÂüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_integral#Riemann_sums
â Aditya Agarwal
Sep 3 at 14:55
Prior to the statement you are unsure about, there is no mention of the function $f$. I think you need to show the complete proof, because I need to see what role $f$ is playing. As it stands, $omega_n$ and $alpha_n$ seem unrelated to $f$.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:40
Prior to the statement you are unsure about, there is no mention of the function $f$. I think you need to show the complete proof, because I need to see what role $f$ is playing. As it stands, $omega_n$ and $alpha_n$ seem unrelated to $f$.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:40
@ðÃÂÃÂþýòÃÂûûðþûþÃÂüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó, thanks, done!
â Aditya Agarwal
Sep 3 at 14:47
@ðÃÂÃÂþýòÃÂûûðþûþÃÂüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó, thanks, done!
â Aditya Agarwal
Sep 3 at 14:47
Thank you for the edit.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:49
Thank you for the edit.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:49
Sorry for the second question : does $S(f,P_n)$ refer to the upper/lower Riemann sum? Can you add a complete definition if possible? I feel it is just a case of playing around with these objects, but I need the definitions.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:53
Sorry for the second question : does $S(f,P_n)$ refer to the upper/lower Riemann sum? Can you add a complete definition if possible? I feel it is just a case of playing around with these objects, but I need the definitions.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:53
@ðÃÂÃÂþýòÃÂûûðþûþÃÂüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_integral#Riemann_sums
â Aditya Agarwal
Sep 3 at 14:55
@ðÃÂÃÂþýòÃÂûûðþûþÃÂüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_integral#Riemann_sums
â Aditya Agarwal
Sep 3 at 14:55
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I think the argument below should work for the proof, even if it doesn't actually produce the stated bound. However, let me know if you have any issues -- perhaps I've misunderstood something about what the proof is trying to do.
Observe that
beginalign* leftvert S(f,dotmathcal P_n+1) - S(f,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert &le leftvert S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1) - S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert \
&le leftvert S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1) - Z_n+1 rightvert + leftvert A_n - S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert + leftvert Z_n+1 - A_nrightvert \
& le leftvert S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1) - Z_n+1 rightvert + leftvert A_n - S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert + int_a^b left( omega_n+1 - alpha_n right).
endalign*
This should give us enough to deduce that $S(f, dotmathcalP_n)$ is Cauchy, albeit not the specific bound given.
The first inequality follows from the fact that $alpha_n le f le omega_n+1$ (but see parenthetical remark at the end), the second inequality is the triangle inequality, and the third from the fact that $vertint fvert le intvert f vert$.
One potentially problematic part here is that the last term in the last expression above doesn't exactly correspond to the condition we assumed, but this should be rectified by appropriate relabelling of $omega_varepsilon$ and $alpha_varepsilon$. (This also guarantees the first inequality, which would not work if $S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) > S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1)$.) That is, the conditions stated guarantee that we can choose a pair of sequences $alpha_n$ and $omega_n$ such that $alpha_n le f le omega_n+1$ and $int_a^b (omega_n+1 - alpha_n) < 1/n$.
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I think the argument below should work for the proof, even if it doesn't actually produce the stated bound. However, let me know if you have any issues -- perhaps I've misunderstood something about what the proof is trying to do.
Observe that
beginalign* leftvert S(f,dotmathcal P_n+1) - S(f,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert &le leftvert S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1) - S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert \
&le leftvert S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1) - Z_n+1 rightvert + leftvert A_n - S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert + leftvert Z_n+1 - A_nrightvert \
& le leftvert S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1) - Z_n+1 rightvert + leftvert A_n - S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert + int_a^b left( omega_n+1 - alpha_n right).
endalign*
This should give us enough to deduce that $S(f, dotmathcalP_n)$ is Cauchy, albeit not the specific bound given.
The first inequality follows from the fact that $alpha_n le f le omega_n+1$ (but see parenthetical remark at the end), the second inequality is the triangle inequality, and the third from the fact that $vertint fvert le intvert f vert$.
One potentially problematic part here is that the last term in the last expression above doesn't exactly correspond to the condition we assumed, but this should be rectified by appropriate relabelling of $omega_varepsilon$ and $alpha_varepsilon$. (This also guarantees the first inequality, which would not work if $S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) > S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1)$.) That is, the conditions stated guarantee that we can choose a pair of sequences $alpha_n$ and $omega_n$ such that $alpha_n le f le omega_n+1$ and $int_a^b (omega_n+1 - alpha_n) < 1/n$.
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I think the argument below should work for the proof, even if it doesn't actually produce the stated bound. However, let me know if you have any issues -- perhaps I've misunderstood something about what the proof is trying to do.
Observe that
beginalign* leftvert S(f,dotmathcal P_n+1) - S(f,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert &le leftvert S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1) - S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert \
&le leftvert S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1) - Z_n+1 rightvert + leftvert A_n - S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert + leftvert Z_n+1 - A_nrightvert \
& le leftvert S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1) - Z_n+1 rightvert + leftvert A_n - S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert + int_a^b left( omega_n+1 - alpha_n right).
endalign*
This should give us enough to deduce that $S(f, dotmathcalP_n)$ is Cauchy, albeit not the specific bound given.
The first inequality follows from the fact that $alpha_n le f le omega_n+1$ (but see parenthetical remark at the end), the second inequality is the triangle inequality, and the third from the fact that $vertint fvert le intvert f vert$.
One potentially problematic part here is that the last term in the last expression above doesn't exactly correspond to the condition we assumed, but this should be rectified by appropriate relabelling of $omega_varepsilon$ and $alpha_varepsilon$. (This also guarantees the first inequality, which would not work if $S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) > S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1)$.) That is, the conditions stated guarantee that we can choose a pair of sequences $alpha_n$ and $omega_n$ such that $alpha_n le f le omega_n+1$ and $int_a^b (omega_n+1 - alpha_n) < 1/n$.
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I think the argument below should work for the proof, even if it doesn't actually produce the stated bound. However, let me know if you have any issues -- perhaps I've misunderstood something about what the proof is trying to do.
Observe that
beginalign* leftvert S(f,dotmathcal P_n+1) - S(f,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert &le leftvert S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1) - S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert \
&le leftvert S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1) - Z_n+1 rightvert + leftvert A_n - S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert + leftvert Z_n+1 - A_nrightvert \
& le leftvert S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1) - Z_n+1 rightvert + leftvert A_n - S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert + int_a^b left( omega_n+1 - alpha_n right).
endalign*
This should give us enough to deduce that $S(f, dotmathcalP_n)$ is Cauchy, albeit not the specific bound given.
The first inequality follows from the fact that $alpha_n le f le omega_n+1$ (but see parenthetical remark at the end), the second inequality is the triangle inequality, and the third from the fact that $vertint fvert le intvert f vert$.
One potentially problematic part here is that the last term in the last expression above doesn't exactly correspond to the condition we assumed, but this should be rectified by appropriate relabelling of $omega_varepsilon$ and $alpha_varepsilon$. (This also guarantees the first inequality, which would not work if $S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) > S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1)$.) That is, the conditions stated guarantee that we can choose a pair of sequences $alpha_n$ and $omega_n$ such that $alpha_n le f le omega_n+1$ and $int_a^b (omega_n+1 - alpha_n) < 1/n$.
I think the argument below should work for the proof, even if it doesn't actually produce the stated bound. However, let me know if you have any issues -- perhaps I've misunderstood something about what the proof is trying to do.
Observe that
beginalign* leftvert S(f,dotmathcal P_n+1) - S(f,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert &le leftvert S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1) - S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert \
&le leftvert S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1) - Z_n+1 rightvert + leftvert A_n - S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert + leftvert Z_n+1 - A_nrightvert \
& le leftvert S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1) - Z_n+1 rightvert + leftvert A_n - S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) rightvert + int_a^b left( omega_n+1 - alpha_n right).
endalign*
This should give us enough to deduce that $S(f, dotmathcalP_n)$ is Cauchy, albeit not the specific bound given.
The first inequality follows from the fact that $alpha_n le f le omega_n+1$ (but see parenthetical remark at the end), the second inequality is the triangle inequality, and the third from the fact that $vertint fvert le intvert f vert$.
One potentially problematic part here is that the last term in the last expression above doesn't exactly correspond to the condition we assumed, but this should be rectified by appropriate relabelling of $omega_varepsilon$ and $alpha_varepsilon$. (This also guarantees the first inequality, which would not work if $S(alpha_n,dotmathcal P_n) > S(omega_n+1,dotmathcal P_n+1)$.) That is, the conditions stated guarantee that we can choose a pair of sequences $alpha_n$ and $omega_n$ such that $alpha_n le f le omega_n+1$ and $int_a^b (omega_n+1 - alpha_n) < 1/n$.
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Prior to the statement you are unsure about, there is no mention of the function $f$. I think you need to show the complete proof, because I need to see what role $f$ is playing. As it stands, $omega_n$ and $alpha_n$ seem unrelated to $f$.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:40
@ðÃÂÃÂþýòÃÂûûðþûþÃÂüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó, thanks, done!
â Aditya Agarwal
Sep 3 at 14:47
Thank you for the edit.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:49
Sorry for the second question : does $S(f,P_n)$ refer to the upper/lower Riemann sum? Can you add a complete definition if possible? I feel it is just a case of playing around with these objects, but I need the definitions.
â Ã°ÃÂÃÂþý òÃÂûûð þûþàüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó
Sep 3 at 14:53
@ðÃÂÃÂþýòÃÂûûðþûþÃÂüÃÂûûñÃÂÃÂó, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_integral#Riemann_sums
â Aditya Agarwal
Sep 3 at 14:55