Median zero and symmetry of the cdf of the difference of two random variables

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In the notation below, let $F_X$ denote the cumulative distribution function (cdf) of a random variable $X$.



Consider the following random variables $epsilon_0,epsilon_1,epsilon_2$. I have two doubts to clarify:



1) Assume that $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0(0)=F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0(0)=frac12$.
Does this imply that $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2(0)=frac12$?



2) Assume that $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0$ and $F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0$ are symmetric around zero.
Does this imply that $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2$ is symmetric around zero?




My thoughts:
I think that without further restrictions the answer to both questions is "no". I also think that if $epsilon_1$ and $epsilon_2$ are independent and identically distributed then $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2$ is symmetric around zero (and, hence, $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2(0)=frac12$). I would like your confirmation on this.




Additional question: can you suggest other sets of sufficient restrictions on $epsilon_1$, $epsilon_2$ ensuring median zero and/or symmetry of the cdf of $epsilon_1-epsilon_2$?







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    In the notation below, let $F_X$ denote the cumulative distribution function (cdf) of a random variable $X$.



    Consider the following random variables $epsilon_0,epsilon_1,epsilon_2$. I have two doubts to clarify:



    1) Assume that $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0(0)=F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0(0)=frac12$.
    Does this imply that $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2(0)=frac12$?



    2) Assume that $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0$ and $F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0$ are symmetric around zero.
    Does this imply that $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2$ is symmetric around zero?




    My thoughts:
    I think that without further restrictions the answer to both questions is "no". I also think that if $epsilon_1$ and $epsilon_2$ are independent and identically distributed then $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2$ is symmetric around zero (and, hence, $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2(0)=frac12$). I would like your confirmation on this.




    Additional question: can you suggest other sets of sufficient restrictions on $epsilon_1$, $epsilon_2$ ensuring median zero and/or symmetry of the cdf of $epsilon_1-epsilon_2$?







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      In the notation below, let $F_X$ denote the cumulative distribution function (cdf) of a random variable $X$.



      Consider the following random variables $epsilon_0,epsilon_1,epsilon_2$. I have two doubts to clarify:



      1) Assume that $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0(0)=F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0(0)=frac12$.
      Does this imply that $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2(0)=frac12$?



      2) Assume that $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0$ and $F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0$ are symmetric around zero.
      Does this imply that $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2$ is symmetric around zero?




      My thoughts:
      I think that without further restrictions the answer to both questions is "no". I also think that if $epsilon_1$ and $epsilon_2$ are independent and identically distributed then $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2$ is symmetric around zero (and, hence, $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2(0)=frac12$). I would like your confirmation on this.




      Additional question: can you suggest other sets of sufficient restrictions on $epsilon_1$, $epsilon_2$ ensuring median zero and/or symmetry of the cdf of $epsilon_1-epsilon_2$?







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      In the notation below, let $F_X$ denote the cumulative distribution function (cdf) of a random variable $X$.



      Consider the following random variables $epsilon_0,epsilon_1,epsilon_2$. I have two doubts to clarify:



      1) Assume that $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0(0)=F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0(0)=frac12$.
      Does this imply that $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2(0)=frac12$?



      2) Assume that $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0$ and $F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0$ are symmetric around zero.
      Does this imply that $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2$ is symmetric around zero?




      My thoughts:
      I think that without further restrictions the answer to both questions is "no". I also think that if $epsilon_1$ and $epsilon_2$ are independent and identically distributed then $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2$ is symmetric around zero (and, hence, $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2(0)=frac12$). I would like your confirmation on this.




      Additional question: can you suggest other sets of sufficient restrictions on $epsilon_1$, $epsilon_2$ ensuring median zero and/or symmetry of the cdf of $epsilon_1-epsilon_2$?









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          For counter-examples, try the following combinations where each row has probability $frac16$:



           e0 e1 e2 e1-e0 e2-e0 e1-e2 
          3 4 2 1 -1 2
          3 4 2 1 -1 2
          3 1 5 -2 2 -4
          -3 -1 -2 2 1 1
          -3 -4 -2 -1 1 -2
          -3 -4 -5 -1 -2 1


          This has



          1. $F_epsilon_0(0)=F_epsilon_1(0)=F_epsilon_2(0)=F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0(0)=F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0(0)=frac12$ but $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2(0)=frac13 not = frac12$


          2. $F_epsilon_0, F_epsilon_1, F_epsilon_2, F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0$ and $F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0$ are symmetric around zero, but $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2$ is not symmetric about anything


          For your additional question, as you say, having $epsilon_1,epsilon_2$ independent and identically distributed (though not necessarily symmetric) would be sufficient, as would having $epsilon_1,epsilon_2$ independent and symmetric about the same value (but not necessarily identically distributed)






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          • There is an anomaly over symmetry of a CDF $F_X$ for a discrete random variable (the examples here actually have symmetric PMFs), but it would be possible to constrict a similar example for continuous random variables in a more long winded way
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          For counter-examples, try the following combinations where each row has probability $frac16$:



           e0 e1 e2 e1-e0 e2-e0 e1-e2 
          3 4 2 1 -1 2
          3 4 2 1 -1 2
          3 1 5 -2 2 -4
          -3 -1 -2 2 1 1
          -3 -4 -2 -1 1 -2
          -3 -4 -5 -1 -2 1


          This has



          1. $F_epsilon_0(0)=F_epsilon_1(0)=F_epsilon_2(0)=F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0(0)=F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0(0)=frac12$ but $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2(0)=frac13 not = frac12$


          2. $F_epsilon_0, F_epsilon_1, F_epsilon_2, F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0$ and $F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0$ are symmetric around zero, but $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2$ is not symmetric about anything


          For your additional question, as you say, having $epsilon_1,epsilon_2$ independent and identically distributed (though not necessarily symmetric) would be sufficient, as would having $epsilon_1,epsilon_2$ independent and symmetric about the same value (but not necessarily identically distributed)






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          • There is an anomaly over symmetry of a CDF $F_X$ for a discrete random variable (the examples here actually have symmetric PMFs), but it would be possible to constrict a similar example for continuous random variables in a more long winded way
            – Henry
            Aug 21 at 14:03














          up vote
          1
          down vote



          accepted










          For counter-examples, try the following combinations where each row has probability $frac16$:



           e0 e1 e2 e1-e0 e2-e0 e1-e2 
          3 4 2 1 -1 2
          3 4 2 1 -1 2
          3 1 5 -2 2 -4
          -3 -1 -2 2 1 1
          -3 -4 -2 -1 1 -2
          -3 -4 -5 -1 -2 1


          This has



          1. $F_epsilon_0(0)=F_epsilon_1(0)=F_epsilon_2(0)=F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0(0)=F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0(0)=frac12$ but $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2(0)=frac13 not = frac12$


          2. $F_epsilon_0, F_epsilon_1, F_epsilon_2, F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0$ and $F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0$ are symmetric around zero, but $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2$ is not symmetric about anything


          For your additional question, as you say, having $epsilon_1,epsilon_2$ independent and identically distributed (though not necessarily symmetric) would be sufficient, as would having $epsilon_1,epsilon_2$ independent and symmetric about the same value (but not necessarily identically distributed)






          share|cite|improve this answer




















          • There is an anomaly over symmetry of a CDF $F_X$ for a discrete random variable (the examples here actually have symmetric PMFs), but it would be possible to constrict a similar example for continuous random variables in a more long winded way
            – Henry
            Aug 21 at 14:03












          up vote
          1
          down vote



          accepted







          up vote
          1
          down vote



          accepted






          For counter-examples, try the following combinations where each row has probability $frac16$:



           e0 e1 e2 e1-e0 e2-e0 e1-e2 
          3 4 2 1 -1 2
          3 4 2 1 -1 2
          3 1 5 -2 2 -4
          -3 -1 -2 2 1 1
          -3 -4 -2 -1 1 -2
          -3 -4 -5 -1 -2 1


          This has



          1. $F_epsilon_0(0)=F_epsilon_1(0)=F_epsilon_2(0)=F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0(0)=F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0(0)=frac12$ but $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2(0)=frac13 not = frac12$


          2. $F_epsilon_0, F_epsilon_1, F_epsilon_2, F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0$ and $F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0$ are symmetric around zero, but $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2$ is not symmetric about anything


          For your additional question, as you say, having $epsilon_1,epsilon_2$ independent and identically distributed (though not necessarily symmetric) would be sufficient, as would having $epsilon_1,epsilon_2$ independent and symmetric about the same value (but not necessarily identically distributed)






          share|cite|improve this answer












          For counter-examples, try the following combinations where each row has probability $frac16$:



           e0 e1 e2 e1-e0 e2-e0 e1-e2 
          3 4 2 1 -1 2
          3 4 2 1 -1 2
          3 1 5 -2 2 -4
          -3 -1 -2 2 1 1
          -3 -4 -2 -1 1 -2
          -3 -4 -5 -1 -2 1


          This has



          1. $F_epsilon_0(0)=F_epsilon_1(0)=F_epsilon_2(0)=F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0(0)=F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0(0)=frac12$ but $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2(0)=frac13 not = frac12$


          2. $F_epsilon_0, F_epsilon_1, F_epsilon_2, F_epsilon_1-epsilon_0$ and $F_epsilon_2-epsilon_0$ are symmetric around zero, but $F_epsilon_1-epsilon_2$ is not symmetric about anything


          For your additional question, as you say, having $epsilon_1,epsilon_2$ independent and identically distributed (though not necessarily symmetric) would be sufficient, as would having $epsilon_1,epsilon_2$ independent and symmetric about the same value (but not necessarily identically distributed)







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          • There is an anomaly over symmetry of a CDF $F_X$ for a discrete random variable (the examples here actually have symmetric PMFs), but it would be possible to constrict a similar example for continuous random variables in a more long winded way
            – Henry
            Aug 21 at 14:03
















          • There is an anomaly over symmetry of a CDF $F_X$ for a discrete random variable (the examples here actually have symmetric PMFs), but it would be possible to constrict a similar example for continuous random variables in a more long winded way
            – Henry
            Aug 21 at 14:03















          There is an anomaly over symmetry of a CDF $F_X$ for a discrete random variable (the examples here actually have symmetric PMFs), but it would be possible to constrict a similar example for continuous random variables in a more long winded way
          – Henry
          Aug 21 at 14:03




          There is an anomaly over symmetry of a CDF $F_X$ for a discrete random variable (the examples here actually have symmetric PMFs), but it would be possible to constrict a similar example for continuous random variables in a more long winded way
          – Henry
          Aug 21 at 14:03












           

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