Differential equation: $x''=frac2xx^2-1$
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I want to solve the differential equation$$begincasesx''=frac2xx^2-1\x'(0)=0\x(0)=x_0endcases$$
This is what I have done so far. I have not studied differential equation much, and introducing the function $s$ below is just a trick that I learned, but I'm not sure why/if it works.
Let $s:=x'$. Then
$$fracd^2xdt^2=fracdsdt=fracdsdxfracdxdt=fracdsdxs$$
so the above equation becomes $$sfracdsdx=frac2xx^2-1$$
$$s,ds=frac2xx^2-1,dx$$$$int s,ds=intfrac2xx^2-1,dx+C$$
$$s^2=loglvert x^2-1rvert+C$$$$x'=omegasqrtloglvert x^2-1rvert+C,,omega:mathbb R_+mapsto-1,1$$
and with $x'(0)=0$, $x(0)=x_0$ we have
$$x'=omegasqrtlogbigglvertfracx^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
How can I continue to solve for $x(t)$? And am I justified in introducing $s$ and treat the notation like I did to obtain $x'$?
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I want to solve the differential equation$$begincasesx''=frac2xx^2-1\x'(0)=0\x(0)=x_0endcases$$
This is what I have done so far. I have not studied differential equation much, and introducing the function $s$ below is just a trick that I learned, but I'm not sure why/if it works.
Let $s:=x'$. Then
$$fracd^2xdt^2=fracdsdt=fracdsdxfracdxdt=fracdsdxs$$
so the above equation becomes $$sfracdsdx=frac2xx^2-1$$
$$s,ds=frac2xx^2-1,dx$$$$int s,ds=intfrac2xx^2-1,dx+C$$
$$s^2=loglvert x^2-1rvert+C$$$$x'=omegasqrtloglvert x^2-1rvert+C,,omega:mathbb R_+mapsto-1,1$$
and with $x'(0)=0$, $x(0)=x_0$ we have
$$x'=omegasqrtlogbigglvertfracx^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
How can I continue to solve for $x(t)$? And am I justified in introducing $s$ and treat the notation like I did to obtain $x'$?
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Your steps are pretty fine. Just go on as if you are solving a first order differential equation. But maybe there are some integrals that canâÂÂt be done by hand.
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I want to solve the differential equation$$begincasesx''=frac2xx^2-1\x'(0)=0\x(0)=x_0endcases$$
This is what I have done so far. I have not studied differential equation much, and introducing the function $s$ below is just a trick that I learned, but I'm not sure why/if it works.
Let $s:=x'$. Then
$$fracd^2xdt^2=fracdsdt=fracdsdxfracdxdt=fracdsdxs$$
so the above equation becomes $$sfracdsdx=frac2xx^2-1$$
$$s,ds=frac2xx^2-1,dx$$$$int s,ds=intfrac2xx^2-1,dx+C$$
$$s^2=loglvert x^2-1rvert+C$$$$x'=omegasqrtloglvert x^2-1rvert+C,,omega:mathbb R_+mapsto-1,1$$
and with $x'(0)=0$, $x(0)=x_0$ we have
$$x'=omegasqrtlogbigglvertfracx^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
How can I continue to solve for $x(t)$? And am I justified in introducing $s$ and treat the notation like I did to obtain $x'$?
differential-equations
I want to solve the differential equation$$begincasesx''=frac2xx^2-1\x'(0)=0\x(0)=x_0endcases$$
This is what I have done so far. I have not studied differential equation much, and introducing the function $s$ below is just a trick that I learned, but I'm not sure why/if it works.
Let $s:=x'$. Then
$$fracd^2xdt^2=fracdsdt=fracdsdxfracdxdt=fracdsdxs$$
so the above equation becomes $$sfracdsdx=frac2xx^2-1$$
$$s,ds=frac2xx^2-1,dx$$$$int s,ds=intfrac2xx^2-1,dx+C$$
$$s^2=loglvert x^2-1rvert+C$$$$x'=omegasqrtloglvert x^2-1rvert+C,,omega:mathbb R_+mapsto-1,1$$
and with $x'(0)=0$, $x(0)=x_0$ we have
$$x'=omegasqrtlogbigglvertfracx^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
How can I continue to solve for $x(t)$? And am I justified in introducing $s$ and treat the notation like I did to obtain $x'$?
differential-equations
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Ludvig Lindström
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Your steps are pretty fine. Just go on as if you are solving a first order differential equation. But maybe there are some integrals that canâÂÂt be done by hand.
â Szeto
Aug 15 at 11:01
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Your steps are pretty fine. Just go on as if you are solving a first order differential equation. But maybe there are some integrals that canâÂÂt be done by hand.
â Szeto
Aug 15 at 11:01
Your steps are pretty fine. Just go on as if you are solving a first order differential equation. But maybe there are some integrals that canâÂÂt be done by hand.
â Szeto
Aug 15 at 11:01
Your steps are pretty fine. Just go on as if you are solving a first order differential equation. But maybe there are some integrals that canâÂÂt be done by hand.
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Your calculus is correct.
$$fracdxdt=omegasqrtlnbigglvertfracx^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
with $omega=pm 1$ .
$$t=pmint fracdxsqrtlnbigglvertfracx^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
With condition $x(0)=x_0$ :
$$t=int_x_0^x fracdxisqrtlnbigglvertfracxi^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
One can show that the integral is convergent for $xito x_0$. That isn't the main trouble.
The integral cannot be expressed in terms of standard functions, a fortiori the inverse function $x(t)$ as well. Numerical calculus is required to fully solve the problem.
This problems is just from a thought experminent in physics involving two chambers separated by a moveable wall that is pushed by the gas pressure in the two chambers. Thinking about the problem now I realize $omega=$sgn$(x')$ must some how be dependent of $t$, but I don't know how...
â Ludvig Lindström
Aug 15 at 11:52
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OK. I realize that $omega=pm 1$. So, some details have been corrected in my answer. This doesn't change the conclusion about the non-elementary form of analytic solution.
â JJacquelin
Aug 15 at 13:48
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The procedure is correct. The last equation is separable, and its solution can be written as
$$
int_x_0^xfracdxsqrtlogBiglvertdfracx^2-1x_0^2-1Bigrvert=x_0+omega,t.
$$
However, the integral has no closed form in terms of elementary functions (or even special functions, as far as I can tell.)
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Your calculus is correct.
$$fracdxdt=omegasqrtlnbigglvertfracx^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
with $omega=pm 1$ .
$$t=pmint fracdxsqrtlnbigglvertfracx^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
With condition $x(0)=x_0$ :
$$t=int_x_0^x fracdxisqrtlnbigglvertfracxi^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
One can show that the integral is convergent for $xito x_0$. That isn't the main trouble.
The integral cannot be expressed in terms of standard functions, a fortiori the inverse function $x(t)$ as well. Numerical calculus is required to fully solve the problem.
This problems is just from a thought experminent in physics involving two chambers separated by a moveable wall that is pushed by the gas pressure in the two chambers. Thinking about the problem now I realize $omega=$sgn$(x')$ must some how be dependent of $t$, but I don't know how...
â Ludvig Lindström
Aug 15 at 11:52
1
OK. I realize that $omega=pm 1$. So, some details have been corrected in my answer. This doesn't change the conclusion about the non-elementary form of analytic solution.
â JJacquelin
Aug 15 at 13:48
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Your calculus is correct.
$$fracdxdt=omegasqrtlnbigglvertfracx^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
with $omega=pm 1$ .
$$t=pmint fracdxsqrtlnbigglvertfracx^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
With condition $x(0)=x_0$ :
$$t=int_x_0^x fracdxisqrtlnbigglvertfracxi^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
One can show that the integral is convergent for $xito x_0$. That isn't the main trouble.
The integral cannot be expressed in terms of standard functions, a fortiori the inverse function $x(t)$ as well. Numerical calculus is required to fully solve the problem.
This problems is just from a thought experminent in physics involving two chambers separated by a moveable wall that is pushed by the gas pressure in the two chambers. Thinking about the problem now I realize $omega=$sgn$(x')$ must some how be dependent of $t$, but I don't know how...
â Ludvig Lindström
Aug 15 at 11:52
1
OK. I realize that $omega=pm 1$. So, some details have been corrected in my answer. This doesn't change the conclusion about the non-elementary form of analytic solution.
â JJacquelin
Aug 15 at 13:48
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Your calculus is correct.
$$fracdxdt=omegasqrtlnbigglvertfracx^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
with $omega=pm 1$ .
$$t=pmint fracdxsqrtlnbigglvertfracx^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
With condition $x(0)=x_0$ :
$$t=int_x_0^x fracdxisqrtlnbigglvertfracxi^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
One can show that the integral is convergent for $xito x_0$. That isn't the main trouble.
The integral cannot be expressed in terms of standard functions, a fortiori the inverse function $x(t)$ as well. Numerical calculus is required to fully solve the problem.
Your calculus is correct.
$$fracdxdt=omegasqrtlnbigglvertfracx^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
with $omega=pm 1$ .
$$t=pmint fracdxsqrtlnbigglvertfracx^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
With condition $x(0)=x_0$ :
$$t=int_x_0^x fracdxisqrtlnbigglvertfracxi^2-1x_0^2-1biggrvert$$
One can show that the integral is convergent for $xito x_0$. That isn't the main trouble.
The integral cannot be expressed in terms of standard functions, a fortiori the inverse function $x(t)$ as well. Numerical calculus is required to fully solve the problem.
edited Aug 15 at 13:47
answered Aug 15 at 11:29
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This problems is just from a thought experminent in physics involving two chambers separated by a moveable wall that is pushed by the gas pressure in the two chambers. Thinking about the problem now I realize $omega=$sgn$(x')$ must some how be dependent of $t$, but I don't know how...
â Ludvig Lindström
Aug 15 at 11:52
1
OK. I realize that $omega=pm 1$. So, some details have been corrected in my answer. This doesn't change the conclusion about the non-elementary form of analytic solution.
â JJacquelin
Aug 15 at 13:48
add a comment |Â
This problems is just from a thought experminent in physics involving two chambers separated by a moveable wall that is pushed by the gas pressure in the two chambers. Thinking about the problem now I realize $omega=$sgn$(x')$ must some how be dependent of $t$, but I don't know how...
â Ludvig Lindström
Aug 15 at 11:52
1
OK. I realize that $omega=pm 1$. So, some details have been corrected in my answer. This doesn't change the conclusion about the non-elementary form of analytic solution.
â JJacquelin
Aug 15 at 13:48
This problems is just from a thought experminent in physics involving two chambers separated by a moveable wall that is pushed by the gas pressure in the two chambers. Thinking about the problem now I realize $omega=$sgn$(x')$ must some how be dependent of $t$, but I don't know how...
â Ludvig Lindström
Aug 15 at 11:52
This problems is just from a thought experminent in physics involving two chambers separated by a moveable wall that is pushed by the gas pressure in the two chambers. Thinking about the problem now I realize $omega=$sgn$(x')$ must some how be dependent of $t$, but I don't know how...
â Ludvig Lindström
Aug 15 at 11:52
1
1
OK. I realize that $omega=pm 1$. So, some details have been corrected in my answer. This doesn't change the conclusion about the non-elementary form of analytic solution.
â JJacquelin
Aug 15 at 13:48
OK. I realize that $omega=pm 1$. So, some details have been corrected in my answer. This doesn't change the conclusion about the non-elementary form of analytic solution.
â JJacquelin
Aug 15 at 13:48
add a comment |Â
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The procedure is correct. The last equation is separable, and its solution can be written as
$$
int_x_0^xfracdxsqrtlogBiglvertdfracx^2-1x_0^2-1Bigrvert=x_0+omega,t.
$$
However, the integral has no closed form in terms of elementary functions (or even special functions, as far as I can tell.)
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The procedure is correct. The last equation is separable, and its solution can be written as
$$
int_x_0^xfracdxsqrtlogBiglvertdfracx^2-1x_0^2-1Bigrvert=x_0+omega,t.
$$
However, the integral has no closed form in terms of elementary functions (or even special functions, as far as I can tell.)
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The procedure is correct. The last equation is separable, and its solution can be written as
$$
int_x_0^xfracdxsqrtlogBiglvertdfracx^2-1x_0^2-1Bigrvert=x_0+omega,t.
$$
However, the integral has no closed form in terms of elementary functions (or even special functions, as far as I can tell.)
The procedure is correct. The last equation is separable, and its solution can be written as
$$
int_x_0^xfracdxsqrtlogBiglvertdfracx^2-1x_0^2-1Bigrvert=x_0+omega,t.
$$
However, the integral has no closed form in terms of elementary functions (or even special functions, as far as I can tell.)
edited Aug 15 at 15:29
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Julián Aguirre
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Your steps are pretty fine. Just go on as if you are solving a first order differential equation. But maybe there are some integrals that canâÂÂt be done by hand.
â Szeto
Aug 15 at 11:01