Is $f(x,y)=fracy^3-sin^3xx^2+y^2$ differentiable at $(0,0)$?

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Define $f:mathbbR^2rightarrow mathbbR$ by $f(x,y)=displaystyle fracy^3-sin^3xx^2+y^2$ if $(x,y)neq (0,0)$ and $f(0,0)=0$.
My question is, is $f$ differentiable at $(0,0)$?
First I guessed it is not. So, I tried to prove that $f$ is not continuous at $(0,0)$ by showing the limits are different for two different paths approaching $(0,0)$. But could not find it easily. Then I tried proving it is differentiable.
So I took $displaystyle lim_(x,y)rightarrow (0,0)fracf(x,y)-f(0,0)-nabla f(0,0).(x,y)sqrtx^2+y^2=lim_(x,y)rightarrow (0,0)fracx^3-sin^3x(x^2+y^2)^(3/2)$. But failed to prove that this limit is $0$.
So, how could I determine whether $f$ is differentiable at $(0,0)$?
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Define $f:mathbbR^2rightarrow mathbbR$ by $f(x,y)=displaystyle fracy^3-sin^3xx^2+y^2$ if $(x,y)neq (0,0)$ and $f(0,0)=0$.
My question is, is $f$ differentiable at $(0,0)$?
First I guessed it is not. So, I tried to prove that $f$ is not continuous at $(0,0)$ by showing the limits are different for two different paths approaching $(0,0)$. But could not find it easily. Then I tried proving it is differentiable.
So I took $displaystyle lim_(x,y)rightarrow (0,0)fracf(x,y)-f(0,0)-nabla f(0,0).(x,y)sqrtx^2+y^2=lim_(x,y)rightarrow (0,0)fracx^3-sin^3x(x^2+y^2)^(3/2)$. But failed to prove that this limit is $0$.
So, how could I determine whether $f$ is differentiable at $(0,0)$?
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Define $f:mathbbR^2rightarrow mathbbR$ by $f(x,y)=displaystyle fracy^3-sin^3xx^2+y^2$ if $(x,y)neq (0,0)$ and $f(0,0)=0$.
My question is, is $f$ differentiable at $(0,0)$?
First I guessed it is not. So, I tried to prove that $f$ is not continuous at $(0,0)$ by showing the limits are different for two different paths approaching $(0,0)$. But could not find it easily. Then I tried proving it is differentiable.
So I took $displaystyle lim_(x,y)rightarrow (0,0)fracf(x,y)-f(0,0)-nabla f(0,0).(x,y)sqrtx^2+y^2=lim_(x,y)rightarrow (0,0)fracx^3-sin^3x(x^2+y^2)^(3/2)$. But failed to prove that this limit is $0$.
So, how could I determine whether $f$ is differentiable at $(0,0)$?
real-analysis multivariable-calculus derivatives
Define $f:mathbbR^2rightarrow mathbbR$ by $f(x,y)=displaystyle fracy^3-sin^3xx^2+y^2$ if $(x,y)neq (0,0)$ and $f(0,0)=0$.
My question is, is $f$ differentiable at $(0,0)$?
First I guessed it is not. So, I tried to prove that $f$ is not continuous at $(0,0)$ by showing the limits are different for two different paths approaching $(0,0)$. But could not find it easily. Then I tried proving it is differentiable.
So I took $displaystyle lim_(x,y)rightarrow (0,0)fracf(x,y)-f(0,0)-nabla f(0,0).(x,y)sqrtx^2+y^2=lim_(x,y)rightarrow (0,0)fracx^3-sin^3x(x^2+y^2)^(3/2)$. But failed to prove that this limit is $0$.
So, how could I determine whether $f$ is differentiable at $(0,0)$?
real-analysis multivariable-calculus derivatives
real-analysis multivariable-calculus derivatives
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Your approach is completely correct, but the execution is wrong. First of all, the gradient at the origin is not $(0,0)$; it should be $(-1,1)$. Look carefully at $f(x,0)$, and you'll see that
$$lim_hto 0 fracf(h,0)-f(0,0)h = -1,$$
etc.
So we need to decide if
$$lim_(x,y)to (0,0)fracfracy^3-sin^3xx^2+y^2 - (-x+y)sqrtx^2+y^2 = 0$$
or not. I'll let you work out the algebra, but you should need to determine whether
$$lim_(x,y)to (0,0) fracxy(x-y)(x^2+y^2)^3/2 = 0;$$
what do you think?
I have not taken that gradient at $(0,0)$ as $0$. I got that $nabla f (0,0).(x,y)=fracy^3-x^3y^2+x^2$. And I used it here. Is it wrong?
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 18:19
Oh, I see. So you didn't have a typo in what you wrote. Yes, this is wrong. $nabla f(0,0)cdot (x,y)$ has to end up $ax+by$ for some constants $a$ and $b$. I recommend that you compute $partial f/partial x (0,0)$ by the definition, etc.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 18:27
ok i forgot the fact that in $nabla f .(u,v)$, $(u,v)$ should be a unit vector.
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 19:06
No, no, that's not right. You're confusing some calculus textbooks' definition of the directional derivative with the definition of the derivative (as a linear map) which you're trying to apply here.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 19:12
ok I think I figured out my misunderstanding
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 19:54
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So, because $nabla f(0,0) = (-1,1)$you need to check if $$lim_(x,y) to (0,0) fracx^3 - (sin(x))^3 + xy(y-x)(x^2 + y^2)^frac32 = 0$$
We can take $(x,y) to (0,0)$ along any path, so choose convergence along the positive $x-$axis, i.e fix $y=0$ and let $x to 0+$
We get $lim_xto 0+ -(fracsin(x)x)^3 = 0$
Now, set $y = kx$ and let $ x to 0+$ The limit becomes
$lim_yto 0+ fracx^3 - sin^3(x)+ x^3 (k^2 - k)x^3(1 + k^2)^frac32 neq 0$ when (say) $k = 0.5$
So, the limit does not exist and the function is not differentiable.
No, this is not the right thing that needs to be checked.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 19:12
Oops, I shouldn't calculate gradients by heart :D I will edit the post
â Milen Ivanov
Dec 27 '15 at 19:22
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2 Answers
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Your approach is completely correct, but the execution is wrong. First of all, the gradient at the origin is not $(0,0)$; it should be $(-1,1)$. Look carefully at $f(x,0)$, and you'll see that
$$lim_hto 0 fracf(h,0)-f(0,0)h = -1,$$
etc.
So we need to decide if
$$lim_(x,y)to (0,0)fracfracy^3-sin^3xx^2+y^2 - (-x+y)sqrtx^2+y^2 = 0$$
or not. I'll let you work out the algebra, but you should need to determine whether
$$lim_(x,y)to (0,0) fracxy(x-y)(x^2+y^2)^3/2 = 0;$$
what do you think?
I have not taken that gradient at $(0,0)$ as $0$. I got that $nabla f (0,0).(x,y)=fracy^3-x^3y^2+x^2$. And I used it here. Is it wrong?
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 18:19
Oh, I see. So you didn't have a typo in what you wrote. Yes, this is wrong. $nabla f(0,0)cdot (x,y)$ has to end up $ax+by$ for some constants $a$ and $b$. I recommend that you compute $partial f/partial x (0,0)$ by the definition, etc.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 18:27
ok i forgot the fact that in $nabla f .(u,v)$, $(u,v)$ should be a unit vector.
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 19:06
No, no, that's not right. You're confusing some calculus textbooks' definition of the directional derivative with the definition of the derivative (as a linear map) which you're trying to apply here.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 19:12
ok I think I figured out my misunderstanding
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 19:54
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up vote
1
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Your approach is completely correct, but the execution is wrong. First of all, the gradient at the origin is not $(0,0)$; it should be $(-1,1)$. Look carefully at $f(x,0)$, and you'll see that
$$lim_hto 0 fracf(h,0)-f(0,0)h = -1,$$
etc.
So we need to decide if
$$lim_(x,y)to (0,0)fracfracy^3-sin^3xx^2+y^2 - (-x+y)sqrtx^2+y^2 = 0$$
or not. I'll let you work out the algebra, but you should need to determine whether
$$lim_(x,y)to (0,0) fracxy(x-y)(x^2+y^2)^3/2 = 0;$$
what do you think?
I have not taken that gradient at $(0,0)$ as $0$. I got that $nabla f (0,0).(x,y)=fracy^3-x^3y^2+x^2$. And I used it here. Is it wrong?
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 18:19
Oh, I see. So you didn't have a typo in what you wrote. Yes, this is wrong. $nabla f(0,0)cdot (x,y)$ has to end up $ax+by$ for some constants $a$ and $b$. I recommend that you compute $partial f/partial x (0,0)$ by the definition, etc.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 18:27
ok i forgot the fact that in $nabla f .(u,v)$, $(u,v)$ should be a unit vector.
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 19:06
No, no, that's not right. You're confusing some calculus textbooks' definition of the directional derivative with the definition of the derivative (as a linear map) which you're trying to apply here.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 19:12
ok I think I figured out my misunderstanding
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 19:54
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show 2 more comments
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Your approach is completely correct, but the execution is wrong. First of all, the gradient at the origin is not $(0,0)$; it should be $(-1,1)$. Look carefully at $f(x,0)$, and you'll see that
$$lim_hto 0 fracf(h,0)-f(0,0)h = -1,$$
etc.
So we need to decide if
$$lim_(x,y)to (0,0)fracfracy^3-sin^3xx^2+y^2 - (-x+y)sqrtx^2+y^2 = 0$$
or not. I'll let you work out the algebra, but you should need to determine whether
$$lim_(x,y)to (0,0) fracxy(x-y)(x^2+y^2)^3/2 = 0;$$
what do you think?
Your approach is completely correct, but the execution is wrong. First of all, the gradient at the origin is not $(0,0)$; it should be $(-1,1)$. Look carefully at $f(x,0)$, and you'll see that
$$lim_hto 0 fracf(h,0)-f(0,0)h = -1,$$
etc.
So we need to decide if
$$lim_(x,y)to (0,0)fracfracy^3-sin^3xx^2+y^2 - (-x+y)sqrtx^2+y^2 = 0$$
or not. I'll let you work out the algebra, but you should need to determine whether
$$lim_(x,y)to (0,0) fracxy(x-y)(x^2+y^2)^3/2 = 0;$$
what do you think?
edited Dec 27 '15 at 18:04
answered Dec 27 '15 at 17:54
Ted Shifrin
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I have not taken that gradient at $(0,0)$ as $0$. I got that $nabla f (0,0).(x,y)=fracy^3-x^3y^2+x^2$. And I used it here. Is it wrong?
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 18:19
Oh, I see. So you didn't have a typo in what you wrote. Yes, this is wrong. $nabla f(0,0)cdot (x,y)$ has to end up $ax+by$ for some constants $a$ and $b$. I recommend that you compute $partial f/partial x (0,0)$ by the definition, etc.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 18:27
ok i forgot the fact that in $nabla f .(u,v)$, $(u,v)$ should be a unit vector.
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 19:06
No, no, that's not right. You're confusing some calculus textbooks' definition of the directional derivative with the definition of the derivative (as a linear map) which you're trying to apply here.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 19:12
ok I think I figured out my misunderstanding
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 19:54
 |Â
show 2 more comments
I have not taken that gradient at $(0,0)$ as $0$. I got that $nabla f (0,0).(x,y)=fracy^3-x^3y^2+x^2$. And I used it here. Is it wrong?
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 18:19
Oh, I see. So you didn't have a typo in what you wrote. Yes, this is wrong. $nabla f(0,0)cdot (x,y)$ has to end up $ax+by$ for some constants $a$ and $b$. I recommend that you compute $partial f/partial x (0,0)$ by the definition, etc.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 18:27
ok i forgot the fact that in $nabla f .(u,v)$, $(u,v)$ should be a unit vector.
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 19:06
No, no, that's not right. You're confusing some calculus textbooks' definition of the directional derivative with the definition of the derivative (as a linear map) which you're trying to apply here.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 19:12
ok I think I figured out my misunderstanding
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 19:54
I have not taken that gradient at $(0,0)$ as $0$. I got that $nabla f (0,0).(x,y)=fracy^3-x^3y^2+x^2$. And I used it here. Is it wrong?
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 18:19
I have not taken that gradient at $(0,0)$ as $0$. I got that $nabla f (0,0).(x,y)=fracy^3-x^3y^2+x^2$. And I used it here. Is it wrong?
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 18:19
Oh, I see. So you didn't have a typo in what you wrote. Yes, this is wrong. $nabla f(0,0)cdot (x,y)$ has to end up $ax+by$ for some constants $a$ and $b$. I recommend that you compute $partial f/partial x (0,0)$ by the definition, etc.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 18:27
Oh, I see. So you didn't have a typo in what you wrote. Yes, this is wrong. $nabla f(0,0)cdot (x,y)$ has to end up $ax+by$ for some constants $a$ and $b$. I recommend that you compute $partial f/partial x (0,0)$ by the definition, etc.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 18:27
ok i forgot the fact that in $nabla f .(u,v)$, $(u,v)$ should be a unit vector.
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 19:06
ok i forgot the fact that in $nabla f .(u,v)$, $(u,v)$ should be a unit vector.
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 19:06
No, no, that's not right. You're confusing some calculus textbooks' definition of the directional derivative with the definition of the derivative (as a linear map) which you're trying to apply here.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 19:12
No, no, that's not right. You're confusing some calculus textbooks' definition of the directional derivative with the definition of the derivative (as a linear map) which you're trying to apply here.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 19:12
ok I think I figured out my misunderstanding
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 19:54
ok I think I figured out my misunderstanding
â Extremal
Dec 27 '15 at 19:54
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So, because $nabla f(0,0) = (-1,1)$you need to check if $$lim_(x,y) to (0,0) fracx^3 - (sin(x))^3 + xy(y-x)(x^2 + y^2)^frac32 = 0$$
We can take $(x,y) to (0,0)$ along any path, so choose convergence along the positive $x-$axis, i.e fix $y=0$ and let $x to 0+$
We get $lim_xto 0+ -(fracsin(x)x)^3 = 0$
Now, set $y = kx$ and let $ x to 0+$ The limit becomes
$lim_yto 0+ fracx^3 - sin^3(x)+ x^3 (k^2 - k)x^3(1 + k^2)^frac32 neq 0$ when (say) $k = 0.5$
So, the limit does not exist and the function is not differentiable.
No, this is not the right thing that needs to be checked.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 19:12
Oops, I shouldn't calculate gradients by heart :D I will edit the post
â Milen Ivanov
Dec 27 '15 at 19:22
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So, because $nabla f(0,0) = (-1,1)$you need to check if $$lim_(x,y) to (0,0) fracx^3 - (sin(x))^3 + xy(y-x)(x^2 + y^2)^frac32 = 0$$
We can take $(x,y) to (0,0)$ along any path, so choose convergence along the positive $x-$axis, i.e fix $y=0$ and let $x to 0+$
We get $lim_xto 0+ -(fracsin(x)x)^3 = 0$
Now, set $y = kx$ and let $ x to 0+$ The limit becomes
$lim_yto 0+ fracx^3 - sin^3(x)+ x^3 (k^2 - k)x^3(1 + k^2)^frac32 neq 0$ when (say) $k = 0.5$
So, the limit does not exist and the function is not differentiable.
No, this is not the right thing that needs to be checked.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 19:12
Oops, I shouldn't calculate gradients by heart :D I will edit the post
â Milen Ivanov
Dec 27 '15 at 19:22
add a comment |Â
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So, because $nabla f(0,0) = (-1,1)$you need to check if $$lim_(x,y) to (0,0) fracx^3 - (sin(x))^3 + xy(y-x)(x^2 + y^2)^frac32 = 0$$
We can take $(x,y) to (0,0)$ along any path, so choose convergence along the positive $x-$axis, i.e fix $y=0$ and let $x to 0+$
We get $lim_xto 0+ -(fracsin(x)x)^3 = 0$
Now, set $y = kx$ and let $ x to 0+$ The limit becomes
$lim_yto 0+ fracx^3 - sin^3(x)+ x^3 (k^2 - k)x^3(1 + k^2)^frac32 neq 0$ when (say) $k = 0.5$
So, the limit does not exist and the function is not differentiable.
So, because $nabla f(0,0) = (-1,1)$you need to check if $$lim_(x,y) to (0,0) fracx^3 - (sin(x))^3 + xy(y-x)(x^2 + y^2)^frac32 = 0$$
We can take $(x,y) to (0,0)$ along any path, so choose convergence along the positive $x-$axis, i.e fix $y=0$ and let $x to 0+$
We get $lim_xto 0+ -(fracsin(x)x)^3 = 0$
Now, set $y = kx$ and let $ x to 0+$ The limit becomes
$lim_yto 0+ fracx^3 - sin^3(x)+ x^3 (k^2 - k)x^3(1 + k^2)^frac32 neq 0$ when (say) $k = 0.5$
So, the limit does not exist and the function is not differentiable.
edited Dec 27 '15 at 19:31
answered Dec 27 '15 at 18:43
Milen Ivanov
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No, this is not the right thing that needs to be checked.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 19:12
Oops, I shouldn't calculate gradients by heart :D I will edit the post
â Milen Ivanov
Dec 27 '15 at 19:22
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No, this is not the right thing that needs to be checked.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 19:12
Oops, I shouldn't calculate gradients by heart :D I will edit the post
â Milen Ivanov
Dec 27 '15 at 19:22
No, this is not the right thing that needs to be checked.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 19:12
No, this is not the right thing that needs to be checked.
â Ted Shifrin
Dec 27 '15 at 19:12
Oops, I shouldn't calculate gradients by heart :D I will edit the post
â Milen Ivanov
Dec 27 '15 at 19:22
Oops, I shouldn't calculate gradients by heart :D I will edit the post
â Milen Ivanov
Dec 27 '15 at 19:22
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