Period of $f(2x+3)+f(2x+7)=2$

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I have a problem in finding the period of functions given in the form of functional equations.




Q. If $f(x)$ is periodic with period $t$ such that $f(2x+3)+f(2x+7)=2$. Find $t$. ($xin mathbb R$)




What I did:



$$f(2x+3)+f(2x+7)=2.........(1)$$



Replacing $x$ with $x-1$ in $(1)$,



$$f(2x+1)+f(2x+5)=2.........(2)$$



And replacing $x$ with $x+1$ in $(1)$,



$$f(2x+5)+f(2x+9)=2.........(3)$$



Subtracting $(2)$ from $(3)$, I get $$f(2x+1)=f(2x+9)$$



Since $x in mathbb R iff 2x in mathbb R$, replace $2x$ with $x$ to get$$f(x)=f(x+8)implies t=8$$



But sadly, my textbook's answer is $t=4$.



Is my method correct? How can I be sure that the $t$ so found is the least?







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  • As $2x+9=2(x+4)+1$
    – lab bhattacharjee
    Apr 16 '14 at 4:23






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    The period cannot be 4: It forces $f = 1$, a constant. Your argument shows that $f$ must have a period which is a rational multiple of $8$, but I am not really sure where to go from there.
    – Braindead
    Apr 16 '14 at 4:38










  • While the book in this case is probably wrong and you are right (as others have mentioned), your method is also incomplete. You have showed that $t=8$ is a period, but not that it is the minimum period, as assumed by the question.
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    Aug 16 at 5:35














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I have a problem in finding the period of functions given in the form of functional equations.




Q. If $f(x)$ is periodic with period $t$ such that $f(2x+3)+f(2x+7)=2$. Find $t$. ($xin mathbb R$)




What I did:



$$f(2x+3)+f(2x+7)=2.........(1)$$



Replacing $x$ with $x-1$ in $(1)$,



$$f(2x+1)+f(2x+5)=2.........(2)$$



And replacing $x$ with $x+1$ in $(1)$,



$$f(2x+5)+f(2x+9)=2.........(3)$$



Subtracting $(2)$ from $(3)$, I get $$f(2x+1)=f(2x+9)$$



Since $x in mathbb R iff 2x in mathbb R$, replace $2x$ with $x$ to get$$f(x)=f(x+8)implies t=8$$



But sadly, my textbook's answer is $t=4$.



Is my method correct? How can I be sure that the $t$ so found is the least?







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  • As $2x+9=2(x+4)+1$
    – lab bhattacharjee
    Apr 16 '14 at 4:23






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    The period cannot be 4: It forces $f = 1$, a constant. Your argument shows that $f$ must have a period which is a rational multiple of $8$, but I am not really sure where to go from there.
    – Braindead
    Apr 16 '14 at 4:38










  • While the book in this case is probably wrong and you are right (as others have mentioned), your method is also incomplete. You have showed that $t=8$ is a period, but not that it is the minimum period, as assumed by the question.
    – user496634
    Aug 16 at 5:35












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I have a problem in finding the period of functions given in the form of functional equations.




Q. If $f(x)$ is periodic with period $t$ such that $f(2x+3)+f(2x+7)=2$. Find $t$. ($xin mathbb R$)




What I did:



$$f(2x+3)+f(2x+7)=2.........(1)$$



Replacing $x$ with $x-1$ in $(1)$,



$$f(2x+1)+f(2x+5)=2.........(2)$$



And replacing $x$ with $x+1$ in $(1)$,



$$f(2x+5)+f(2x+9)=2.........(3)$$



Subtracting $(2)$ from $(3)$, I get $$f(2x+1)=f(2x+9)$$



Since $x in mathbb R iff 2x in mathbb R$, replace $2x$ with $x$ to get$$f(x)=f(x+8)implies t=8$$



But sadly, my textbook's answer is $t=4$.



Is my method correct? How can I be sure that the $t$ so found is the least?







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I have a problem in finding the period of functions given in the form of functional equations.




Q. If $f(x)$ is periodic with period $t$ such that $f(2x+3)+f(2x+7)=2$. Find $t$. ($xin mathbb R$)




What I did:



$$f(2x+3)+f(2x+7)=2.........(1)$$



Replacing $x$ with $x-1$ in $(1)$,



$$f(2x+1)+f(2x+5)=2.........(2)$$



And replacing $x$ with $x+1$ in $(1)$,



$$f(2x+5)+f(2x+9)=2.........(3)$$



Subtracting $(2)$ from $(3)$, I get $$f(2x+1)=f(2x+9)$$



Since $x in mathbb R iff 2x in mathbb R$, replace $2x$ with $x$ to get$$f(x)=f(x+8)implies t=8$$



But sadly, my textbook's answer is $t=4$.



Is my method correct? How can I be sure that the $t$ so found is the least?









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  • As $2x+9=2(x+4)+1$
    – lab bhattacharjee
    Apr 16 '14 at 4:23






  • 1




    The period cannot be 4: It forces $f = 1$, a constant. Your argument shows that $f$ must have a period which is a rational multiple of $8$, but I am not really sure where to go from there.
    – Braindead
    Apr 16 '14 at 4:38










  • While the book in this case is probably wrong and you are right (as others have mentioned), your method is also incomplete. You have showed that $t=8$ is a period, but not that it is the minimum period, as assumed by the question.
    – user496634
    Aug 16 at 5:35
















  • As $2x+9=2(x+4)+1$
    – lab bhattacharjee
    Apr 16 '14 at 4:23






  • 1




    The period cannot be 4: It forces $f = 1$, a constant. Your argument shows that $f$ must have a period which is a rational multiple of $8$, but I am not really sure where to go from there.
    – Braindead
    Apr 16 '14 at 4:38










  • While the book in this case is probably wrong and you are right (as others have mentioned), your method is also incomplete. You have showed that $t=8$ is a period, but not that it is the minimum period, as assumed by the question.
    – user496634
    Aug 16 at 5:35















As $2x+9=2(x+4)+1$
– lab bhattacharjee
Apr 16 '14 at 4:23




As $2x+9=2(x+4)+1$
– lab bhattacharjee
Apr 16 '14 at 4:23




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The period cannot be 4: It forces $f = 1$, a constant. Your argument shows that $f$ must have a period which is a rational multiple of $8$, but I am not really sure where to go from there.
– Braindead
Apr 16 '14 at 4:38




The period cannot be 4: It forces $f = 1$, a constant. Your argument shows that $f$ must have a period which is a rational multiple of $8$, but I am not really sure where to go from there.
– Braindead
Apr 16 '14 at 4:38












While the book in this case is probably wrong and you are right (as others have mentioned), your method is also incomplete. You have showed that $t=8$ is a period, but not that it is the minimum period, as assumed by the question.
– user496634
Aug 16 at 5:35




While the book in this case is probably wrong and you are right (as others have mentioned), your method is also incomplete. You have showed that $t=8$ is a period, but not that it is the minimum period, as assumed by the question.
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I found this tricky and I may have got it wrong, but I think that you are correct and the book is not.



If $f(2x+3)+f(2x+7)=2$ for all real $x$, then we can take $x=(y-3)/2$ to give
$$f(y)+f(y+4)=2tag$*$$$
and then, essentially following your argument,
$$f(y)=f(y+8)$$
for all real $y$. Now suppose that $f$ has period $t$: recall that this means $t>0$ and $f(y)=f(y+t)$ for all real $y$, and that no smaller positive $t$ has the same property. Suppose that there is an integer $k$ such that
$$kt<8<(k+1)t ;$$
this can be rewritten as
$$8=kt+t'quadhboxwithquad 0<t'<t .$$
Then we have
$$f(y)=f(y+8)=f(y+t'+kt)=f(y+t')quadhboxfor all $y$,$$
which contradicts the fact that $f$ has period $t$. Therefore we must have $8=kt$ for some positive integer $k$, that is, $t=8/k$.



Now $k$ cannot be even, for if $k=2m$ then for all $y$ we have $f(y)=f(y+mt)=f(y+4)$; in conjunction with $(*)$ this shows that $f(y)=1$ for all $y$, which is not (strictly speaking) periodic.



However it is possible that the period could be $t=8/k$ with $k$ odd. For example, take
$$f(y)=1+sinBigl(frac2pi ytBigr) .$$
Then, as is well known, $f$ has period $t$; also
$$f(y)+f(y+4)
=1+sinBigl(frac2pi ytBigr)+1+sinBigl(frac2pi yt+kpiBigr)=2$$
for all $y$, as required.






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  • Here $t$ is the period. So $f(y)=f(y+t)=f(y+2t)=f(y+12345t)=f(y+nt)$, where $n$ is any integer you like. BTW I found a better example for the last part of the question and have edited it - please re-read.
    – David
    Apr 16 '14 at 7:58











  • Thanks.. So u have proven that the period is $8/k$ where $k$ is odd... How do u prove $k=1$??
    – Apurv
    Apr 16 '14 at 8:13







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    It is certainly possible to have $k=1$, just take my final example. If you mean how do you prove $k$ must be $1$, I don't think you can. In other words, your question does not have just one answer: the period might be $8$, or $frac83$, or $frac85$, etc.
    – David
    Apr 16 '14 at 8:21






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    Perhaps, the original problem was meant to ask for integer periods.
    – Braindead
    Apr 16 '14 at 12:28

















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"How can I be sure that the t so found is the least?"



Answer : by finding an example where $8$ is the smallest period. For example, take $f$ such that $f(x)=fracx-8k2$ when $xin[8k,8k+4[$ and $f(x)=frac8k+8-x2$
when $xin[8k+4,8k+8[$, for every $kinmathbb Z$.



This creates a "sawtooth" function and only multiples of $8$ are periods.






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    Err... but this surely doesn't mean that 8 is the only possible period for $f$.
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Period is 4. It is correct. You got $f(2x+1)=f(2x+9)$, that means the period of $f(2x)$ is $8$. So period of $f(x)$ is $4$.






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  • No. If $f(2x)$ has a period of $T$, this means that $f(x)$ is periodic with period $2T$, not $T/2$. For example, consider $f(2x)=sin 2x$, which has period $pi$, but the function $f(x)=sin x$ has a period $2pi$. Indeed, $16$ is a period of $f$ in this question, just not the minimal one.
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Since we have $f(2x) = f(2x + 8)$ for all $x$,
If we assume $g(x) = f(2x)$ then we have $g(x + 4) = g(x)$, and hence $g(x)$ is periodic with period $4$, not $f(x)$.






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  • you are right in saying that $g(x)$ is periodic with period $4$, but you cannot be sure in saying that $f(x)$ is not. That is the point of the whole question
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The period is $4$. Actually $f(x)$ and $f(2x)$ are different functions. You see, $cos(2x)$ and $cos(x)$ are different. The period of $cos(x)$ is $2pi$ but the period of $cos(2x)$ is $pi$. Similarly, the period of $f(x)$ is the the period of $f(2x)/2$.






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    I found this tricky and I may have got it wrong, but I think that you are correct and the book is not.



    If $f(2x+3)+f(2x+7)=2$ for all real $x$, then we can take $x=(y-3)/2$ to give
    $$f(y)+f(y+4)=2tag$*$$$
    and then, essentially following your argument,
    $$f(y)=f(y+8)$$
    for all real $y$. Now suppose that $f$ has period $t$: recall that this means $t>0$ and $f(y)=f(y+t)$ for all real $y$, and that no smaller positive $t$ has the same property. Suppose that there is an integer $k$ such that
    $$kt<8<(k+1)t ;$$
    this can be rewritten as
    $$8=kt+t'quadhboxwithquad 0<t'<t .$$
    Then we have
    $$f(y)=f(y+8)=f(y+t'+kt)=f(y+t')quadhboxfor all $y$,$$
    which contradicts the fact that $f$ has period $t$. Therefore we must have $8=kt$ for some positive integer $k$, that is, $t=8/k$.



    Now $k$ cannot be even, for if $k=2m$ then for all $y$ we have $f(y)=f(y+mt)=f(y+4)$; in conjunction with $(*)$ this shows that $f(y)=1$ for all $y$, which is not (strictly speaking) periodic.



    However it is possible that the period could be $t=8/k$ with $k$ odd. For example, take
    $$f(y)=1+sinBigl(frac2pi ytBigr) .$$
    Then, as is well known, $f$ has period $t$; also
    $$f(y)+f(y+4)
    =1+sinBigl(frac2pi ytBigr)+1+sinBigl(frac2pi yt+kpiBigr)=2$$
    for all $y$, as required.






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    • Here $t$ is the period. So $f(y)=f(y+t)=f(y+2t)=f(y+12345t)=f(y+nt)$, where $n$ is any integer you like. BTW I found a better example for the last part of the question and have edited it - please re-read.
      – David
      Apr 16 '14 at 7:58











    • Thanks.. So u have proven that the period is $8/k$ where $k$ is odd... How do u prove $k=1$??
      – Apurv
      Apr 16 '14 at 8:13







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      It is certainly possible to have $k=1$, just take my final example. If you mean how do you prove $k$ must be $1$, I don't think you can. In other words, your question does not have just one answer: the period might be $8$, or $frac83$, or $frac85$, etc.
      – David
      Apr 16 '14 at 8:21






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      Perhaps, the original problem was meant to ask for integer periods.
      – Braindead
      Apr 16 '14 at 12:28














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    I found this tricky and I may have got it wrong, but I think that you are correct and the book is not.



    If $f(2x+3)+f(2x+7)=2$ for all real $x$, then we can take $x=(y-3)/2$ to give
    $$f(y)+f(y+4)=2tag$*$$$
    and then, essentially following your argument,
    $$f(y)=f(y+8)$$
    for all real $y$. Now suppose that $f$ has period $t$: recall that this means $t>0$ and $f(y)=f(y+t)$ for all real $y$, and that no smaller positive $t$ has the same property. Suppose that there is an integer $k$ such that
    $$kt<8<(k+1)t ;$$
    this can be rewritten as
    $$8=kt+t'quadhboxwithquad 0<t'<t .$$
    Then we have
    $$f(y)=f(y+8)=f(y+t'+kt)=f(y+t')quadhboxfor all $y$,$$
    which contradicts the fact that $f$ has period $t$. Therefore we must have $8=kt$ for some positive integer $k$, that is, $t=8/k$.



    Now $k$ cannot be even, for if $k=2m$ then for all $y$ we have $f(y)=f(y+mt)=f(y+4)$; in conjunction with $(*)$ this shows that $f(y)=1$ for all $y$, which is not (strictly speaking) periodic.



    However it is possible that the period could be $t=8/k$ with $k$ odd. For example, take
    $$f(y)=1+sinBigl(frac2pi ytBigr) .$$
    Then, as is well known, $f$ has period $t$; also
    $$f(y)+f(y+4)
    =1+sinBigl(frac2pi ytBigr)+1+sinBigl(frac2pi yt+kpiBigr)=2$$
    for all $y$, as required.






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    • Here $t$ is the period. So $f(y)=f(y+t)=f(y+2t)=f(y+12345t)=f(y+nt)$, where $n$ is any integer you like. BTW I found a better example for the last part of the question and have edited it - please re-read.
      – David
      Apr 16 '14 at 7:58











    • Thanks.. So u have proven that the period is $8/k$ where $k$ is odd... How do u prove $k=1$??
      – Apurv
      Apr 16 '14 at 8:13







    • 1




      It is certainly possible to have $k=1$, just take my final example. If you mean how do you prove $k$ must be $1$, I don't think you can. In other words, your question does not have just one answer: the period might be $8$, or $frac83$, or $frac85$, etc.
      – David
      Apr 16 '14 at 8:21






    • 1




      Perhaps, the original problem was meant to ask for integer periods.
      – Braindead
      Apr 16 '14 at 12:28












    up vote
    7
    down vote



    accepted







    up vote
    7
    down vote



    accepted






    I found this tricky and I may have got it wrong, but I think that you are correct and the book is not.



    If $f(2x+3)+f(2x+7)=2$ for all real $x$, then we can take $x=(y-3)/2$ to give
    $$f(y)+f(y+4)=2tag$*$$$
    and then, essentially following your argument,
    $$f(y)=f(y+8)$$
    for all real $y$. Now suppose that $f$ has period $t$: recall that this means $t>0$ and $f(y)=f(y+t)$ for all real $y$, and that no smaller positive $t$ has the same property. Suppose that there is an integer $k$ such that
    $$kt<8<(k+1)t ;$$
    this can be rewritten as
    $$8=kt+t'quadhboxwithquad 0<t'<t .$$
    Then we have
    $$f(y)=f(y+8)=f(y+t'+kt)=f(y+t')quadhboxfor all $y$,$$
    which contradicts the fact that $f$ has period $t$. Therefore we must have $8=kt$ for some positive integer $k$, that is, $t=8/k$.



    Now $k$ cannot be even, for if $k=2m$ then for all $y$ we have $f(y)=f(y+mt)=f(y+4)$; in conjunction with $(*)$ this shows that $f(y)=1$ for all $y$, which is not (strictly speaking) periodic.



    However it is possible that the period could be $t=8/k$ with $k$ odd. For example, take
    $$f(y)=1+sinBigl(frac2pi ytBigr) .$$
    Then, as is well known, $f$ has period $t$; also
    $$f(y)+f(y+4)
    =1+sinBigl(frac2pi ytBigr)+1+sinBigl(frac2pi yt+kpiBigr)=2$$
    for all $y$, as required.






    share|cite|improve this answer














    I found this tricky and I may have got it wrong, but I think that you are correct and the book is not.



    If $f(2x+3)+f(2x+7)=2$ for all real $x$, then we can take $x=(y-3)/2$ to give
    $$f(y)+f(y+4)=2tag$*$$$
    and then, essentially following your argument,
    $$f(y)=f(y+8)$$
    for all real $y$. Now suppose that $f$ has period $t$: recall that this means $t>0$ and $f(y)=f(y+t)$ for all real $y$, and that no smaller positive $t$ has the same property. Suppose that there is an integer $k$ such that
    $$kt<8<(k+1)t ;$$
    this can be rewritten as
    $$8=kt+t'quadhboxwithquad 0<t'<t .$$
    Then we have
    $$f(y)=f(y+8)=f(y+t'+kt)=f(y+t')quadhboxfor all $y$,$$
    which contradicts the fact that $f$ has period $t$. Therefore we must have $8=kt$ for some positive integer $k$, that is, $t=8/k$.



    Now $k$ cannot be even, for if $k=2m$ then for all $y$ we have $f(y)=f(y+mt)=f(y+4)$; in conjunction with $(*)$ this shows that $f(y)=1$ for all $y$, which is not (strictly speaking) periodic.



    However it is possible that the period could be $t=8/k$ with $k$ odd. For example, take
    $$f(y)=1+sinBigl(frac2pi ytBigr) .$$
    Then, as is well known, $f$ has period $t$; also
    $$f(y)+f(y+4)
    =1+sinBigl(frac2pi ytBigr)+1+sinBigl(frac2pi yt+kpiBigr)=2$$
    for all $y$, as required.







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    • Here $t$ is the period. So $f(y)=f(y+t)=f(y+2t)=f(y+12345t)=f(y+nt)$, where $n$ is any integer you like. BTW I found a better example for the last part of the question and have edited it - please re-read.
      – David
      Apr 16 '14 at 7:58











    • Thanks.. So u have proven that the period is $8/k$ where $k$ is odd... How do u prove $k=1$??
      – Apurv
      Apr 16 '14 at 8:13







    • 1




      It is certainly possible to have $k=1$, just take my final example. If you mean how do you prove $k$ must be $1$, I don't think you can. In other words, your question does not have just one answer: the period might be $8$, or $frac83$, or $frac85$, etc.
      – David
      Apr 16 '14 at 8:21






    • 1




      Perhaps, the original problem was meant to ask for integer periods.
      – Braindead
      Apr 16 '14 at 12:28
















    • Here $t$ is the period. So $f(y)=f(y+t)=f(y+2t)=f(y+12345t)=f(y+nt)$, where $n$ is any integer you like. BTW I found a better example for the last part of the question and have edited it - please re-read.
      – David
      Apr 16 '14 at 7:58











    • Thanks.. So u have proven that the period is $8/k$ where $k$ is odd... How do u prove $k=1$??
      – Apurv
      Apr 16 '14 at 8:13







    • 1




      It is certainly possible to have $k=1$, just take my final example. If you mean how do you prove $k$ must be $1$, I don't think you can. In other words, your question does not have just one answer: the period might be $8$, or $frac83$, or $frac85$, etc.
      – David
      Apr 16 '14 at 8:21






    • 1




      Perhaps, the original problem was meant to ask for integer periods.
      – Braindead
      Apr 16 '14 at 12:28















    Here $t$ is the period. So $f(y)=f(y+t)=f(y+2t)=f(y+12345t)=f(y+nt)$, where $n$ is any integer you like. BTW I found a better example for the last part of the question and have edited it - please re-read.
    – David
    Apr 16 '14 at 7:58





    Here $t$ is the period. So $f(y)=f(y+t)=f(y+2t)=f(y+12345t)=f(y+nt)$, where $n$ is any integer you like. BTW I found a better example for the last part of the question and have edited it - please re-read.
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    Thanks.. So u have proven that the period is $8/k$ where $k$ is odd... How do u prove $k=1$??
    – Apurv
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    Thanks.. So u have proven that the period is $8/k$ where $k$ is odd... How do u prove $k=1$??
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    It is certainly possible to have $k=1$, just take my final example. If you mean how do you prove $k$ must be $1$, I don't think you can. In other words, your question does not have just one answer: the period might be $8$, or $frac83$, or $frac85$, etc.
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    It is certainly possible to have $k=1$, just take my final example. If you mean how do you prove $k$ must be $1$, I don't think you can. In other words, your question does not have just one answer: the period might be $8$, or $frac83$, or $frac85$, etc.
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    Perhaps, the original problem was meant to ask for integer periods.
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    Perhaps, the original problem was meant to ask for integer periods.
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    "How can I be sure that the t so found is the least?"



    Answer : by finding an example where $8$ is the smallest period. For example, take $f$ such that $f(x)=fracx-8k2$ when $xin[8k,8k+4[$ and $f(x)=frac8k+8-x2$
    when $xin[8k+4,8k+8[$, for every $kinmathbb Z$.



    This creates a "sawtooth" function and only multiples of $8$ are periods.






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      Err... but this surely doesn't mean that 8 is the only possible period for $f$.
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    "How can I be sure that the t so found is the least?"



    Answer : by finding an example where $8$ is the smallest period. For example, take $f$ such that $f(x)=fracx-8k2$ when $xin[8k,8k+4[$ and $f(x)=frac8k+8-x2$
    when $xin[8k+4,8k+8[$, for every $kinmathbb Z$.



    This creates a "sawtooth" function and only multiples of $8$ are periods.






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      Err... but this surely doesn't mean that 8 is the only possible period for $f$.
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    "How can I be sure that the t so found is the least?"



    Answer : by finding an example where $8$ is the smallest period. For example, take $f$ such that $f(x)=fracx-8k2$ when $xin[8k,8k+4[$ and $f(x)=frac8k+8-x2$
    when $xin[8k+4,8k+8[$, for every $kinmathbb Z$.



    This creates a "sawtooth" function and only multiples of $8$ are periods.






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    "How can I be sure that the t so found is the least?"



    Answer : by finding an example where $8$ is the smallest period. For example, take $f$ such that $f(x)=fracx-8k2$ when $xin[8k,8k+4[$ and $f(x)=frac8k+8-x2$
    when $xin[8k+4,8k+8[$, for every $kinmathbb Z$.



    This creates a "sawtooth" function and only multiples of $8$ are periods.







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      Err... but this surely doesn't mean that 8 is the only possible period for $f$.
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      Err... but this surely doesn't mean that 8 is the only possible period for $f$.
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    Err... but this surely doesn't mean that 8 is the only possible period for $f$.
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    Err... but this surely doesn't mean that 8 is the only possible period for $f$.
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    Period is 4. It is correct. You got $f(2x+1)=f(2x+9)$, that means the period of $f(2x)$ is $8$. So period of $f(x)$ is $4$.






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    • No. If $f(2x)$ has a period of $T$, this means that $f(x)$ is periodic with period $2T$, not $T/2$. For example, consider $f(2x)=sin 2x$, which has period $pi$, but the function $f(x)=sin x$ has a period $2pi$. Indeed, $16$ is a period of $f$ in this question, just not the minimal one.
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    Period is 4. It is correct. You got $f(2x+1)=f(2x+9)$, that means the period of $f(2x)$ is $8$. So period of $f(x)$ is $4$.






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    • No. If $f(2x)$ has a period of $T$, this means that $f(x)$ is periodic with period $2T$, not $T/2$. For example, consider $f(2x)=sin 2x$, which has period $pi$, but the function $f(x)=sin x$ has a period $2pi$. Indeed, $16$ is a period of $f$ in this question, just not the minimal one.
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    Period is 4. It is correct. You got $f(2x+1)=f(2x+9)$, that means the period of $f(2x)$ is $8$. So period of $f(x)$ is $4$.






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    Period is 4. It is correct. You got $f(2x+1)=f(2x+9)$, that means the period of $f(2x)$ is $8$. So period of $f(x)$ is $4$.







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    • No. If $f(2x)$ has a period of $T$, this means that $f(x)$ is periodic with period $2T$, not $T/2$. For example, consider $f(2x)=sin 2x$, which has period $pi$, but the function $f(x)=sin x$ has a period $2pi$. Indeed, $16$ is a period of $f$ in this question, just not the minimal one.
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    • No. If $f(2x)$ has a period of $T$, this means that $f(x)$ is periodic with period $2T$, not $T/2$. For example, consider $f(2x)=sin 2x$, which has period $pi$, but the function $f(x)=sin x$ has a period $2pi$. Indeed, $16$ is a period of $f$ in this question, just not the minimal one.
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    No. If $f(2x)$ has a period of $T$, this means that $f(x)$ is periodic with period $2T$, not $T/2$. For example, consider $f(2x)=sin 2x$, which has period $pi$, but the function $f(x)=sin x$ has a period $2pi$. Indeed, $16$ is a period of $f$ in this question, just not the minimal one.
    – user496634
    Aug 16 at 5:38




    No. If $f(2x)$ has a period of $T$, this means that $f(x)$ is periodic with period $2T$, not $T/2$. For example, consider $f(2x)=sin 2x$, which has period $pi$, but the function $f(x)=sin x$ has a period $2pi$. Indeed, $16$ is a period of $f$ in this question, just not the minimal one.
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    Since we have $f(2x) = f(2x + 8)$ for all $x$,
    If we assume $g(x) = f(2x)$ then we have $g(x + 4) = g(x)$, and hence $g(x)$ is periodic with period $4$, not $f(x)$.






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    • you are right in saying that $g(x)$ is periodic with period $4$, but you cannot be sure in saying that $f(x)$ is not. That is the point of the whole question
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    Since we have $f(2x) = f(2x + 8)$ for all $x$,
    If we assume $g(x) = f(2x)$ then we have $g(x + 4) = g(x)$, and hence $g(x)$ is periodic with period $4$, not $f(x)$.






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    • you are right in saying that $g(x)$ is periodic with period $4$, but you cannot be sure in saying that $f(x)$ is not. That is the point of the whole question
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    Since we have $f(2x) = f(2x + 8)$ for all $x$,
    If we assume $g(x) = f(2x)$ then we have $g(x + 4) = g(x)$, and hence $g(x)$ is periodic with period $4$, not $f(x)$.






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    Since we have $f(2x) = f(2x + 8)$ for all $x$,
    If we assume $g(x) = f(2x)$ then we have $g(x + 4) = g(x)$, and hence $g(x)$ is periodic with period $4$, not $f(x)$.







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    • you are right in saying that $g(x)$ is periodic with period $4$, but you cannot be sure in saying that $f(x)$ is not. That is the point of the whole question
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    • you are right in saying that $g(x)$ is periodic with period $4$, but you cannot be sure in saying that $f(x)$ is not. That is the point of the whole question
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    you are right in saying that $g(x)$ is periodic with period $4$, but you cannot be sure in saying that $f(x)$ is not. That is the point of the whole question
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    you are right in saying that $g(x)$ is periodic with period $4$, but you cannot be sure in saying that $f(x)$ is not. That is the point of the whole question
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    The period is $4$. Actually $f(x)$ and $f(2x)$ are different functions. You see, $cos(2x)$ and $cos(x)$ are different. The period of $cos(x)$ is $2pi$ but the period of $cos(2x)$ is $pi$. Similarly, the period of $f(x)$ is the the period of $f(2x)/2$.






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      The period is $4$. Actually $f(x)$ and $f(2x)$ are different functions. You see, $cos(2x)$ and $cos(x)$ are different. The period of $cos(x)$ is $2pi$ but the period of $cos(2x)$ is $pi$. Similarly, the period of $f(x)$ is the the period of $f(2x)/2$.






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        The period is $4$. Actually $f(x)$ and $f(2x)$ are different functions. You see, $cos(2x)$ and $cos(x)$ are different. The period of $cos(x)$ is $2pi$ but the period of $cos(2x)$ is $pi$. Similarly, the period of $f(x)$ is the the period of $f(2x)/2$.






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        The period is $4$. Actually $f(x)$ and $f(2x)$ are different functions. You see, $cos(2x)$ and $cos(x)$ are different. The period of $cos(x)$ is $2pi$ but the period of $cos(2x)$ is $pi$. Similarly, the period of $f(x)$ is the the period of $f(2x)/2$.







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