How to calculate the limit $limlimits_ntoinfty dfracx_ny_n$ where $0<x_0<y_0<dfracpi2$ and $x_n+1=sinx_n, y_n+1=siny_n$?

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How to calculate the limit $limlimits_ntoinfty dfracx_ny_n$ where $0<x_0<y_0<dfracpi2$ and $x_n+1=sinx_n, y_n+1=siny_n$?




I have proved that the limit exists because $sinx$ is monotonically increasing over $(0,dfracpi2]$ and



$dfracsinx_nsiny_n>dfracx_ny_n Leftrightarrow dfracsinx_nx_n>dfracsiny_ny_n Leftrightarrow dfracsinxx$ is strictly monotonically decreasing over $(0,dfracpi2]$



Then the sequence $leftdfracx_ny_nright$ is monotonically increasing and bounded, thus converges.



However, I cannot find a recurrence relation to let $ntoinfty$ and then calculate the limit.







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    How to calculate the limit $limlimits_ntoinfty dfracx_ny_n$ where $0<x_0<y_0<dfracpi2$ and $x_n+1=sinx_n, y_n+1=siny_n$?




    I have proved that the limit exists because $sinx$ is monotonically increasing over $(0,dfracpi2]$ and



    $dfracsinx_nsiny_n>dfracx_ny_n Leftrightarrow dfracsinx_nx_n>dfracsiny_ny_n Leftrightarrow dfracsinxx$ is strictly monotonically decreasing over $(0,dfracpi2]$



    Then the sequence $leftdfracx_ny_nright$ is monotonically increasing and bounded, thus converges.



    However, I cannot find a recurrence relation to let $ntoinfty$ and then calculate the limit.







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      How to calculate the limit $limlimits_ntoinfty dfracx_ny_n$ where $0<x_0<y_0<dfracpi2$ and $x_n+1=sinx_n, y_n+1=siny_n$?




      I have proved that the limit exists because $sinx$ is monotonically increasing over $(0,dfracpi2]$ and



      $dfracsinx_nsiny_n>dfracx_ny_n Leftrightarrow dfracsinx_nx_n>dfracsiny_ny_n Leftrightarrow dfracsinxx$ is strictly monotonically decreasing over $(0,dfracpi2]$



      Then the sequence $leftdfracx_ny_nright$ is monotonically increasing and bounded, thus converges.



      However, I cannot find a recurrence relation to let $ntoinfty$ and then calculate the limit.







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      How to calculate the limit $limlimits_ntoinfty dfracx_ny_n$ where $0<x_0<y_0<dfracpi2$ and $x_n+1=sinx_n, y_n+1=siny_n$?




      I have proved that the limit exists because $sinx$ is monotonically increasing over $(0,dfracpi2]$ and



      $dfracsinx_nsiny_n>dfracx_ny_n Leftrightarrow dfracsinx_nx_n>dfracsiny_ny_n Leftrightarrow dfracsinxx$ is strictly monotonically decreasing over $(0,dfracpi2]$



      Then the sequence $leftdfracx_ny_nright$ is monotonically increasing and bounded, thus converges.



      However, I cannot find a recurrence relation to let $ntoinfty$ and then calculate the limit.









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          Using Stolz theorem and Taylor expansion of sine, assuming that the limit is not $0$ (which it can't, because sequence $x_n/y_n$ is increasing):
          $$lim fracx_ny_n = lim fracfrac1y_nfrac1x_n = lim fracfrac1y_n_1-frac1y_nfrac1x_n+1-frac1x_n = lim fracy_n-sin(y_n)x_n-sin(x_n) fracx_nx_n+1y_ny_n+1 =\ (lim fracx_ny_n)^2 limfracy_n^3/6+o(y_n^5)x_n^3/6+o(x_n^5) = (lim fracx_ny_n)^-1 $$
          From this
          $$lim fracx_ny_n = 1,lor limfracx_ny_n = -1 $$
          but it obviously cannot be negative.






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            Hint Another way to answer the question would be to first show that $ undersetnrightarrow inftylim x_n = 0$. After that you could try to find an equivalent of $(x_n)$, for example by considering the sequence $z$ defined such as :



            $$ z_n = x_n+1^-2 - x_n^-2 $$



            Doing the same for $y$ would lead you to the result.






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              First, you can see easily that: $x_nto 0$ adn $y_nto 0$.



              By Stolz theorem, we can get:$$x_nsimsqrtfrac3nsim y_n, textas ntoinfty.$$
              So use this result, $$limlimits_ntoinfty dfracx_ny_n=1.$$
              For details, it need to prove $limlimits_ntoinftynx^2_n=3.$
              By Stolz theorem:$$lim_ntoinftynx^2_n=lim_ntoinftyfracnfrac1x^2_n=
              lim_ntoinftyfrac1frac1x^2_n+1-frac1x^2_n=lim_ntoinftyfracx^2_nx^2_n+1x^2_n-x^2_n+1$$
              $$=
              lim_ntoinftyfracx^2_nsin^2x_nx^2_n-sin^2x_n=
              lim_xto 0fracx^2sin^2xx^2-sin^2x=3.$$






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                Using Stolz theorem and Taylor expansion of sine, assuming that the limit is not $0$ (which it can't, because sequence $x_n/y_n$ is increasing):
                $$lim fracx_ny_n = lim fracfrac1y_nfrac1x_n = lim fracfrac1y_n_1-frac1y_nfrac1x_n+1-frac1x_n = lim fracy_n-sin(y_n)x_n-sin(x_n) fracx_nx_n+1y_ny_n+1 =\ (lim fracx_ny_n)^2 limfracy_n^3/6+o(y_n^5)x_n^3/6+o(x_n^5) = (lim fracx_ny_n)^-1 $$
                From this
                $$lim fracx_ny_n = 1,lor limfracx_ny_n = -1 $$
                but it obviously cannot be negative.






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                  Using Stolz theorem and Taylor expansion of sine, assuming that the limit is not $0$ (which it can't, because sequence $x_n/y_n$ is increasing):
                  $$lim fracx_ny_n = lim fracfrac1y_nfrac1x_n = lim fracfrac1y_n_1-frac1y_nfrac1x_n+1-frac1x_n = lim fracy_n-sin(y_n)x_n-sin(x_n) fracx_nx_n+1y_ny_n+1 =\ (lim fracx_ny_n)^2 limfracy_n^3/6+o(y_n^5)x_n^3/6+o(x_n^5) = (lim fracx_ny_n)^-1 $$
                  From this
                  $$lim fracx_ny_n = 1,lor limfracx_ny_n = -1 $$
                  but it obviously cannot be negative.






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                    Using Stolz theorem and Taylor expansion of sine, assuming that the limit is not $0$ (which it can't, because sequence $x_n/y_n$ is increasing):
                    $$lim fracx_ny_n = lim fracfrac1y_nfrac1x_n = lim fracfrac1y_n_1-frac1y_nfrac1x_n+1-frac1x_n = lim fracy_n-sin(y_n)x_n-sin(x_n) fracx_nx_n+1y_ny_n+1 =\ (lim fracx_ny_n)^2 limfracy_n^3/6+o(y_n^5)x_n^3/6+o(x_n^5) = (lim fracx_ny_n)^-1 $$
                    From this
                    $$lim fracx_ny_n = 1,lor limfracx_ny_n = -1 $$
                    but it obviously cannot be negative.






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                    Using Stolz theorem and Taylor expansion of sine, assuming that the limit is not $0$ (which it can't, because sequence $x_n/y_n$ is increasing):
                    $$lim fracx_ny_n = lim fracfrac1y_nfrac1x_n = lim fracfrac1y_n_1-frac1y_nfrac1x_n+1-frac1x_n = lim fracy_n-sin(y_n)x_n-sin(x_n) fracx_nx_n+1y_ny_n+1 =\ (lim fracx_ny_n)^2 limfracy_n^3/6+o(y_n^5)x_n^3/6+o(x_n^5) = (lim fracx_ny_n)^-1 $$
                    From this
                    $$lim fracx_ny_n = 1,lor limfracx_ny_n = -1 $$
                    but it obviously cannot be negative.







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                        Hint Another way to answer the question would be to first show that $ undersetnrightarrow inftylim x_n = 0$. After that you could try to find an equivalent of $(x_n)$, for example by considering the sequence $z$ defined such as :



                        $$ z_n = x_n+1^-2 - x_n^-2 $$



                        Doing the same for $y$ would lead you to the result.






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                          Hint Another way to answer the question would be to first show that $ undersetnrightarrow inftylim x_n = 0$. After that you could try to find an equivalent of $(x_n)$, for example by considering the sequence $z$ defined such as :



                          $$ z_n = x_n+1^-2 - x_n^-2 $$



                          Doing the same for $y$ would lead you to the result.






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                            Hint Another way to answer the question would be to first show that $ undersetnrightarrow inftylim x_n = 0$. After that you could try to find an equivalent of $(x_n)$, for example by considering the sequence $z$ defined such as :



                            $$ z_n = x_n+1^-2 - x_n^-2 $$



                            Doing the same for $y$ would lead you to the result.






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                            Hint Another way to answer the question would be to first show that $ undersetnrightarrow inftylim x_n = 0$. After that you could try to find an equivalent of $(x_n)$, for example by considering the sequence $z$ defined such as :



                            $$ z_n = x_n+1^-2 - x_n^-2 $$



                            Doing the same for $y$ would lead you to the result.







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                                First, you can see easily that: $x_nto 0$ adn $y_nto 0$.



                                By Stolz theorem, we can get:$$x_nsimsqrtfrac3nsim y_n, textas ntoinfty.$$
                                So use this result, $$limlimits_ntoinfty dfracx_ny_n=1.$$
                                For details, it need to prove $limlimits_ntoinftynx^2_n=3.$
                                By Stolz theorem:$$lim_ntoinftynx^2_n=lim_ntoinftyfracnfrac1x^2_n=
                                lim_ntoinftyfrac1frac1x^2_n+1-frac1x^2_n=lim_ntoinftyfracx^2_nx^2_n+1x^2_n-x^2_n+1$$
                                $$=
                                lim_ntoinftyfracx^2_nsin^2x_nx^2_n-sin^2x_n=
                                lim_xto 0fracx^2sin^2xx^2-sin^2x=3.$$






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                                  First, you can see easily that: $x_nto 0$ adn $y_nto 0$.



                                  By Stolz theorem, we can get:$$x_nsimsqrtfrac3nsim y_n, textas ntoinfty.$$
                                  So use this result, $$limlimits_ntoinfty dfracx_ny_n=1.$$
                                  For details, it need to prove $limlimits_ntoinftynx^2_n=3.$
                                  By Stolz theorem:$$lim_ntoinftynx^2_n=lim_ntoinftyfracnfrac1x^2_n=
                                  lim_ntoinftyfrac1frac1x^2_n+1-frac1x^2_n=lim_ntoinftyfracx^2_nx^2_n+1x^2_n-x^2_n+1$$
                                  $$=
                                  lim_ntoinftyfracx^2_nsin^2x_nx^2_n-sin^2x_n=
                                  lim_xto 0fracx^2sin^2xx^2-sin^2x=3.$$






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                                    First, you can see easily that: $x_nto 0$ adn $y_nto 0$.



                                    By Stolz theorem, we can get:$$x_nsimsqrtfrac3nsim y_n, textas ntoinfty.$$
                                    So use this result, $$limlimits_ntoinfty dfracx_ny_n=1.$$
                                    For details, it need to prove $limlimits_ntoinftynx^2_n=3.$
                                    By Stolz theorem:$$lim_ntoinftynx^2_n=lim_ntoinftyfracnfrac1x^2_n=
                                    lim_ntoinftyfrac1frac1x^2_n+1-frac1x^2_n=lim_ntoinftyfracx^2_nx^2_n+1x^2_n-x^2_n+1$$
                                    $$=
                                    lim_ntoinftyfracx^2_nsin^2x_nx^2_n-sin^2x_n=
                                    lim_xto 0fracx^2sin^2xx^2-sin^2x=3.$$






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                                    First, you can see easily that: $x_nto 0$ adn $y_nto 0$.



                                    By Stolz theorem, we can get:$$x_nsimsqrtfrac3nsim y_n, textas ntoinfty.$$
                                    So use this result, $$limlimits_ntoinfty dfracx_ny_n=1.$$
                                    For details, it need to prove $limlimits_ntoinftynx^2_n=3.$
                                    By Stolz theorem:$$lim_ntoinftynx^2_n=lim_ntoinftyfracnfrac1x^2_n=
                                    lim_ntoinftyfrac1frac1x^2_n+1-frac1x^2_n=lim_ntoinftyfracx^2_nx^2_n+1x^2_n-x^2_n+1$$
                                    $$=
                                    lim_ntoinftyfracx^2_nsin^2x_nx^2_n-sin^2x_n=
                                    lim_xto 0fracx^2sin^2xx^2-sin^2x=3.$$







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