Inclusion of limit point in Collection set

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Let $F$ be collection of set in $R^n$ and let $S=cup_Ain FA$ and $T=cap_Ain FA$.

Then prove or disprove following facts.

1) If x is limit point of T,then x is limit point of each of $Ain F$


2) If x is limit point of S,then x is limit point of atleast one of $Ain F$.




My Attempt:
1) x is limit point of $cap_Ain FA$ then for $forall epsilon>0 exists yin $$cap_Ain FA$ i.e $y in $every$ A$ Hence x is limit point of every A.

2)x is limit point of $cup_Ain FA$ then for $forall epsilon>0 exists yin $ A for some $A in F$ Hence done.

Actually both statement looking like trivial.

I just wanted to confirm are they true.Or there exists some counterexample.

ANy Help will be appreciated







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    Let $F$ be collection of set in $R^n$ and let $S=cup_Ain FA$ and $T=cap_Ain FA$.

    Then prove or disprove following facts.

    1) If x is limit point of T,then x is limit point of each of $Ain F$


    2) If x is limit point of S,then x is limit point of atleast one of $Ain F$.




    My Attempt:
    1) x is limit point of $cap_Ain FA$ then for $forall epsilon>0 exists yin $$cap_Ain FA$ i.e $y in $every$ A$ Hence x is limit point of every A.

    2)x is limit point of $cup_Ain FA$ then for $forall epsilon>0 exists yin $ A for some $A in F$ Hence done.

    Actually both statement looking like trivial.

    I just wanted to confirm are they true.Or there exists some counterexample.

    ANy Help will be appreciated







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      Let $F$ be collection of set in $R^n$ and let $S=cup_Ain FA$ and $T=cap_Ain FA$.

      Then prove or disprove following facts.

      1) If x is limit point of T,then x is limit point of each of $Ain F$


      2) If x is limit point of S,then x is limit point of atleast one of $Ain F$.




      My Attempt:
      1) x is limit point of $cap_Ain FA$ then for $forall epsilon>0 exists yin $$cap_Ain FA$ i.e $y in $every$ A$ Hence x is limit point of every A.

      2)x is limit point of $cup_Ain FA$ then for $forall epsilon>0 exists yin $ A for some $A in F$ Hence done.

      Actually both statement looking like trivial.

      I just wanted to confirm are they true.Or there exists some counterexample.

      ANy Help will be appreciated







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      Let $F$ be collection of set in $R^n$ and let $S=cup_Ain FA$ and $T=cap_Ain FA$.

      Then prove or disprove following facts.

      1) If x is limit point of T,then x is limit point of each of $Ain F$


      2) If x is limit point of S,then x is limit point of atleast one of $Ain F$.




      My Attempt:
      1) x is limit point of $cap_Ain FA$ then for $forall epsilon>0 exists yin $$cap_Ain FA$ i.e $y in $every$ A$ Hence x is limit point of every A.

      2)x is limit point of $cup_Ain FA$ then for $forall epsilon>0 exists yin $ A for some $A in F$ Hence done.

      Actually both statement looking like trivial.

      I just wanted to confirm are they true.Or there exists some counterexample.

      ANy Help will be appreciated









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          If the statements are looking trivial, then you are not looking carefully!



          What does it mean to be a limit point of a set? $x$ is a limit point of a set $B$ if for all $epsilon > 0$ there exists $y in B$ such that $d(y,x) < epsilon$. (Sometimes, $x neq y$ is also insisted).



          The intersection is done correctly : if $x$ is a limit point of $cap_A in F A$, then for all $epsilon > 0$ there is $y in cap_A in F A$, such that $d(y,x) < epsilon$. Now, note that $y in A$ for all $A$, so if $epsilon > 0$ then this choice of $y$ works
          to show that $y in A$ and $d(y,x) < epsilon$. Consequently, $x$ is a limit point of each $A$.




          However, the union is not done correctly, and here's why : fix $epsilon_1 > 0$. What we know, is that $x$ is a limit point of $cup_A in F A$, so there is some $y in A_1 (in F)$ such that $d(y,x) < epsilon$. Note that for some other $epsilon_2$, there may be some other $A_2$, and for some other $epsilon_3$ some other $A_3$ : in short, it is possible that for all $A in F$, all $epsilon$ below some point stop working out after some time. That is, it is possible that for all $A in F$ , there exists $epsilon_A > 0$ such that for all $y in A$, we have $d(y,x) > epsilon_A$. So $x$ would not be a limit point of any of the $A$ but be a limit point of their union.



          The best example of this, is a convergent sequence broken into parts : for example, let $A_n = frac 1n$ be singleton sets with the element $frac 1n$. Then, if you take the union of $A_n$, you get the set $1,frac 12,frac 13,...$ which has a limit point $0$. But $0$ is not a limit point of any $A_n$.




          However, you can check that if $F$ is a finite set of sets, then actually this fact is true. See if you can figure out why.






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            If the statements are looking trivial, then you are not looking carefully!



            What does it mean to be a limit point of a set? $x$ is a limit point of a set $B$ if for all $epsilon > 0$ there exists $y in B$ such that $d(y,x) < epsilon$. (Sometimes, $x neq y$ is also insisted).



            The intersection is done correctly : if $x$ is a limit point of $cap_A in F A$, then for all $epsilon > 0$ there is $y in cap_A in F A$, such that $d(y,x) < epsilon$. Now, note that $y in A$ for all $A$, so if $epsilon > 0$ then this choice of $y$ works
            to show that $y in A$ and $d(y,x) < epsilon$. Consequently, $x$ is a limit point of each $A$.




            However, the union is not done correctly, and here's why : fix $epsilon_1 > 0$. What we know, is that $x$ is a limit point of $cup_A in F A$, so there is some $y in A_1 (in F)$ such that $d(y,x) < epsilon$. Note that for some other $epsilon_2$, there may be some other $A_2$, and for some other $epsilon_3$ some other $A_3$ : in short, it is possible that for all $A in F$, all $epsilon$ below some point stop working out after some time. That is, it is possible that for all $A in F$ , there exists $epsilon_A > 0$ such that for all $y in A$, we have $d(y,x) > epsilon_A$. So $x$ would not be a limit point of any of the $A$ but be a limit point of their union.



            The best example of this, is a convergent sequence broken into parts : for example, let $A_n = frac 1n$ be singleton sets with the element $frac 1n$. Then, if you take the union of $A_n$, you get the set $1,frac 12,frac 13,...$ which has a limit point $0$. But $0$ is not a limit point of any $A_n$.




            However, you can check that if $F$ is a finite set of sets, then actually this fact is true. See if you can figure out why.






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              If the statements are looking trivial, then you are not looking carefully!



              What does it mean to be a limit point of a set? $x$ is a limit point of a set $B$ if for all $epsilon > 0$ there exists $y in B$ such that $d(y,x) < epsilon$. (Sometimes, $x neq y$ is also insisted).



              The intersection is done correctly : if $x$ is a limit point of $cap_A in F A$, then for all $epsilon > 0$ there is $y in cap_A in F A$, such that $d(y,x) < epsilon$. Now, note that $y in A$ for all $A$, so if $epsilon > 0$ then this choice of $y$ works
              to show that $y in A$ and $d(y,x) < epsilon$. Consequently, $x$ is a limit point of each $A$.




              However, the union is not done correctly, and here's why : fix $epsilon_1 > 0$. What we know, is that $x$ is a limit point of $cup_A in F A$, so there is some $y in A_1 (in F)$ such that $d(y,x) < epsilon$. Note that for some other $epsilon_2$, there may be some other $A_2$, and for some other $epsilon_3$ some other $A_3$ : in short, it is possible that for all $A in F$, all $epsilon$ below some point stop working out after some time. That is, it is possible that for all $A in F$ , there exists $epsilon_A > 0$ such that for all $y in A$, we have $d(y,x) > epsilon_A$. So $x$ would not be a limit point of any of the $A$ but be a limit point of their union.



              The best example of this, is a convergent sequence broken into parts : for example, let $A_n = frac 1n$ be singleton sets with the element $frac 1n$. Then, if you take the union of $A_n$, you get the set $1,frac 12,frac 13,...$ which has a limit point $0$. But $0$ is not a limit point of any $A_n$.




              However, you can check that if $F$ is a finite set of sets, then actually this fact is true. See if you can figure out why.






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                If the statements are looking trivial, then you are not looking carefully!



                What does it mean to be a limit point of a set? $x$ is a limit point of a set $B$ if for all $epsilon > 0$ there exists $y in B$ such that $d(y,x) < epsilon$. (Sometimes, $x neq y$ is also insisted).



                The intersection is done correctly : if $x$ is a limit point of $cap_A in F A$, then for all $epsilon > 0$ there is $y in cap_A in F A$, such that $d(y,x) < epsilon$. Now, note that $y in A$ for all $A$, so if $epsilon > 0$ then this choice of $y$ works
                to show that $y in A$ and $d(y,x) < epsilon$. Consequently, $x$ is a limit point of each $A$.




                However, the union is not done correctly, and here's why : fix $epsilon_1 > 0$. What we know, is that $x$ is a limit point of $cup_A in F A$, so there is some $y in A_1 (in F)$ such that $d(y,x) < epsilon$. Note that for some other $epsilon_2$, there may be some other $A_2$, and for some other $epsilon_3$ some other $A_3$ : in short, it is possible that for all $A in F$, all $epsilon$ below some point stop working out after some time. That is, it is possible that for all $A in F$ , there exists $epsilon_A > 0$ such that for all $y in A$, we have $d(y,x) > epsilon_A$. So $x$ would not be a limit point of any of the $A$ but be a limit point of their union.



                The best example of this, is a convergent sequence broken into parts : for example, let $A_n = frac 1n$ be singleton sets with the element $frac 1n$. Then, if you take the union of $A_n$, you get the set $1,frac 12,frac 13,...$ which has a limit point $0$. But $0$ is not a limit point of any $A_n$.




                However, you can check that if $F$ is a finite set of sets, then actually this fact is true. See if you can figure out why.






                share|cite|improve this answer












                If the statements are looking trivial, then you are not looking carefully!



                What does it mean to be a limit point of a set? $x$ is a limit point of a set $B$ if for all $epsilon > 0$ there exists $y in B$ such that $d(y,x) < epsilon$. (Sometimes, $x neq y$ is also insisted).



                The intersection is done correctly : if $x$ is a limit point of $cap_A in F A$, then for all $epsilon > 0$ there is $y in cap_A in F A$, such that $d(y,x) < epsilon$. Now, note that $y in A$ for all $A$, so if $epsilon > 0$ then this choice of $y$ works
                to show that $y in A$ and $d(y,x) < epsilon$. Consequently, $x$ is a limit point of each $A$.




                However, the union is not done correctly, and here's why : fix $epsilon_1 > 0$. What we know, is that $x$ is a limit point of $cup_A in F A$, so there is some $y in A_1 (in F)$ such that $d(y,x) < epsilon$. Note that for some other $epsilon_2$, there may be some other $A_2$, and for some other $epsilon_3$ some other $A_3$ : in short, it is possible that for all $A in F$, all $epsilon$ below some point stop working out after some time. That is, it is possible that for all $A in F$ , there exists $epsilon_A > 0$ such that for all $y in A$, we have $d(y,x) > epsilon_A$. So $x$ would not be a limit point of any of the $A$ but be a limit point of their union.



                The best example of this, is a convergent sequence broken into parts : for example, let $A_n = frac 1n$ be singleton sets with the element $frac 1n$. Then, if you take the union of $A_n$, you get the set $1,frac 12,frac 13,...$ which has a limit point $0$. But $0$ is not a limit point of any $A_n$.




                However, you can check that if $F$ is a finite set of sets, then actually this fact is true. See if you can figure out why.







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