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Show that V is infinite dimensional vector space if and only if there is a sequence $v_1,v_2,...$ of vectors in V such that $v_1,v_2,...,v_n$ is linearly independent for every positive integer n.







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Show that V is infinite dimensional vector space if and only if there is a sequence $v_1,v_2,...$ of vectors in V such that $v_1,v_2,...,v_n$ is linearly independent for every positive integer n.









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    What have you done on this? Where are you having difficulty? What are your thoughts?
    – saulspatz
    Aug 17 at 5:08










  • What exactly is your definition of "infinite dimensional"?
    – Arthur
    Aug 17 at 5:10












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    What have you done on this? Where are you having difficulty? What are your thoughts?
    – saulspatz
    Aug 17 at 5:08










  • What exactly is your definition of "infinite dimensional"?
    – Arthur
    Aug 17 at 5:10







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What have you done on this? Where are you having difficulty? What are your thoughts?
– saulspatz
Aug 17 at 5:08




What have you done on this? Where are you having difficulty? What are your thoughts?
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Aug 17 at 5:08












What exactly is your definition of "infinite dimensional"?
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What exactly is your definition of "infinite dimensional"?
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Take an arbitrary $v_1ne 0.$ Now for $nin Bbb N$ suppose that $S(n)=v_j:jleq n$ is a set of $n$ linearly independent vectors. Since $V$ is not finite dimensional we can take some $v_n+1$ that does not belong to the linear span of $S(n),$ so $S(n+1)=v_n+1cup S(n)$ is a linearly independentset



Without the Axiom of Choice we obtain, by induction on $n$, that for each $nin Bbb N$ there exists a linearly independent set of $n$ vectors. We MUST have the Axiom of Choice (or at least a corollary of it called Dependent Choice) to justify th existence of an infinite sequence of "Takes" to get an infinite sequence $(v_n)_nin Bbb N$ with the desired property.






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    Dimension of a vector space is defined as the number of elements in the basis, provided the basis has a finite number of elements. In such cases, the vector space is said to be finite dimensional.



    Therefore, a vector space is said to be infinite dimensional if the basis of the vector space has infinitely many elements. Now, a basis should be linearly independent.



    An infinite subset $S$ of a vector space $V$ is said to be linearly independent, iff every finite subset $A subset S$ is linearly independent in $V$. This gives directly that for every $n in mathbbN$, $leftlbrace v_1, v_2, cdots, v_n rightrbrace$ is linearly independent in $V$. Here, however, each $v_i$ must belong to the basis. Otherwise, the construction of the linearly independent set would be different.






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    • I doubt that the OP has seen a proof that every vector space has a basis.
      – saulspatz
      Aug 17 at 5:12










    • But then, how can one talk about "dimension" without talking about basis? Is there some other way?
      – Aniruddha Deshmukh
      Aug 17 at 5:14










    • Well, you can define "infinite-dimensional" in an elementary course to mean that the is no finite basis. Then you can construct a countable linearly independent set by induction.
      – saulspatz
      Aug 17 at 5:16










    • @saulspatz: ... using the axiom of choice! I remark this because it would be a clue to the OP on how to proceed. I wonder if it's consistent with ZF that there is a infinite-dimensional vector space that doesn't have a countable linearly independent set?
      – Hurkyl
      Aug 17 at 5:23











    • @Hurkyl Right. I meant to say that for every $n$ there is a set of $n$ independent vectors. That doesn't use the axiom of choice, right?
      – saulspatz
      Aug 17 at 5:26

















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    Take an arbitrary $v_1ne 0.$ Now for $nin Bbb N$ suppose that $S(n)=v_j:jleq n$ is a set of $n$ linearly independent vectors. Since $V$ is not finite dimensional we can take some $v_n+1$ that does not belong to the linear span of $S(n),$ so $S(n+1)=v_n+1cup S(n)$ is a linearly independentset



    Without the Axiom of Choice we obtain, by induction on $n$, that for each $nin Bbb N$ there exists a linearly independent set of $n$ vectors. We MUST have the Axiom of Choice (or at least a corollary of it called Dependent Choice) to justify th existence of an infinite sequence of "Takes" to get an infinite sequence $(v_n)_nin Bbb N$ with the desired property.






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      Take an arbitrary $v_1ne 0.$ Now for $nin Bbb N$ suppose that $S(n)=v_j:jleq n$ is a set of $n$ linearly independent vectors. Since $V$ is not finite dimensional we can take some $v_n+1$ that does not belong to the linear span of $S(n),$ so $S(n+1)=v_n+1cup S(n)$ is a linearly independentset



      Without the Axiom of Choice we obtain, by induction on $n$, that for each $nin Bbb N$ there exists a linearly independent set of $n$ vectors. We MUST have the Axiom of Choice (or at least a corollary of it called Dependent Choice) to justify th existence of an infinite sequence of "Takes" to get an infinite sequence $(v_n)_nin Bbb N$ with the desired property.






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        Take an arbitrary $v_1ne 0.$ Now for $nin Bbb N$ suppose that $S(n)=v_j:jleq n$ is a set of $n$ linearly independent vectors. Since $V$ is not finite dimensional we can take some $v_n+1$ that does not belong to the linear span of $S(n),$ so $S(n+1)=v_n+1cup S(n)$ is a linearly independentset



        Without the Axiom of Choice we obtain, by induction on $n$, that for each $nin Bbb N$ there exists a linearly independent set of $n$ vectors. We MUST have the Axiom of Choice (or at least a corollary of it called Dependent Choice) to justify th existence of an infinite sequence of "Takes" to get an infinite sequence $(v_n)_nin Bbb N$ with the desired property.






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        Take an arbitrary $v_1ne 0.$ Now for $nin Bbb N$ suppose that $S(n)=v_j:jleq n$ is a set of $n$ linearly independent vectors. Since $V$ is not finite dimensional we can take some $v_n+1$ that does not belong to the linear span of $S(n),$ so $S(n+1)=v_n+1cup S(n)$ is a linearly independentset



        Without the Axiom of Choice we obtain, by induction on $n$, that for each $nin Bbb N$ there exists a linearly independent set of $n$ vectors. We MUST have the Axiom of Choice (or at least a corollary of it called Dependent Choice) to justify th existence of an infinite sequence of "Takes" to get an infinite sequence $(v_n)_nin Bbb N$ with the desired property.







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            Dimension of a vector space is defined as the number of elements in the basis, provided the basis has a finite number of elements. In such cases, the vector space is said to be finite dimensional.



            Therefore, a vector space is said to be infinite dimensional if the basis of the vector space has infinitely many elements. Now, a basis should be linearly independent.



            An infinite subset $S$ of a vector space $V$ is said to be linearly independent, iff every finite subset $A subset S$ is linearly independent in $V$. This gives directly that for every $n in mathbbN$, $leftlbrace v_1, v_2, cdots, v_n rightrbrace$ is linearly independent in $V$. Here, however, each $v_i$ must belong to the basis. Otherwise, the construction of the linearly independent set would be different.






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            • I doubt that the OP has seen a proof that every vector space has a basis.
              – saulspatz
              Aug 17 at 5:12










            • But then, how can one talk about "dimension" without talking about basis? Is there some other way?
              – Aniruddha Deshmukh
              Aug 17 at 5:14










            • Well, you can define "infinite-dimensional" in an elementary course to mean that the is no finite basis. Then you can construct a countable linearly independent set by induction.
              – saulspatz
              Aug 17 at 5:16










            • @saulspatz: ... using the axiom of choice! I remark this because it would be a clue to the OP on how to proceed. I wonder if it's consistent with ZF that there is a infinite-dimensional vector space that doesn't have a countable linearly independent set?
              – Hurkyl
              Aug 17 at 5:23











            • @Hurkyl Right. I meant to say that for every $n$ there is a set of $n$ independent vectors. That doesn't use the axiom of choice, right?
              – saulspatz
              Aug 17 at 5:26














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            Dimension of a vector space is defined as the number of elements in the basis, provided the basis has a finite number of elements. In such cases, the vector space is said to be finite dimensional.



            Therefore, a vector space is said to be infinite dimensional if the basis of the vector space has infinitely many elements. Now, a basis should be linearly independent.



            An infinite subset $S$ of a vector space $V$ is said to be linearly independent, iff every finite subset $A subset S$ is linearly independent in $V$. This gives directly that for every $n in mathbbN$, $leftlbrace v_1, v_2, cdots, v_n rightrbrace$ is linearly independent in $V$. Here, however, each $v_i$ must belong to the basis. Otherwise, the construction of the linearly independent set would be different.






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            • I doubt that the OP has seen a proof that every vector space has a basis.
              – saulspatz
              Aug 17 at 5:12










            • But then, how can one talk about "dimension" without talking about basis? Is there some other way?
              – Aniruddha Deshmukh
              Aug 17 at 5:14










            • Well, you can define "infinite-dimensional" in an elementary course to mean that the is no finite basis. Then you can construct a countable linearly independent set by induction.
              – saulspatz
              Aug 17 at 5:16










            • @saulspatz: ... using the axiom of choice! I remark this because it would be a clue to the OP on how to proceed. I wonder if it's consistent with ZF that there is a infinite-dimensional vector space that doesn't have a countable linearly independent set?
              – Hurkyl
              Aug 17 at 5:23











            • @Hurkyl Right. I meant to say that for every $n$ there is a set of $n$ independent vectors. That doesn't use the axiom of choice, right?
              – saulspatz
              Aug 17 at 5:26












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            Dimension of a vector space is defined as the number of elements in the basis, provided the basis has a finite number of elements. In such cases, the vector space is said to be finite dimensional.



            Therefore, a vector space is said to be infinite dimensional if the basis of the vector space has infinitely many elements. Now, a basis should be linearly independent.



            An infinite subset $S$ of a vector space $V$ is said to be linearly independent, iff every finite subset $A subset S$ is linearly independent in $V$. This gives directly that for every $n in mathbbN$, $leftlbrace v_1, v_2, cdots, v_n rightrbrace$ is linearly independent in $V$. Here, however, each $v_i$ must belong to the basis. Otherwise, the construction of the linearly independent set would be different.






            share|cite|improve this answer












            Dimension of a vector space is defined as the number of elements in the basis, provided the basis has a finite number of elements. In such cases, the vector space is said to be finite dimensional.



            Therefore, a vector space is said to be infinite dimensional if the basis of the vector space has infinitely many elements. Now, a basis should be linearly independent.



            An infinite subset $S$ of a vector space $V$ is said to be linearly independent, iff every finite subset $A subset S$ is linearly independent in $V$. This gives directly that for every $n in mathbbN$, $leftlbrace v_1, v_2, cdots, v_n rightrbrace$ is linearly independent in $V$. Here, however, each $v_i$ must belong to the basis. Otherwise, the construction of the linearly independent set would be different.







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            • I doubt that the OP has seen a proof that every vector space has a basis.
              – saulspatz
              Aug 17 at 5:12










            • But then, how can one talk about "dimension" without talking about basis? Is there some other way?
              – Aniruddha Deshmukh
              Aug 17 at 5:14










            • Well, you can define "infinite-dimensional" in an elementary course to mean that the is no finite basis. Then you can construct a countable linearly independent set by induction.
              – saulspatz
              Aug 17 at 5:16










            • @saulspatz: ... using the axiom of choice! I remark this because it would be a clue to the OP on how to proceed. I wonder if it's consistent with ZF that there is a infinite-dimensional vector space that doesn't have a countable linearly independent set?
              – Hurkyl
              Aug 17 at 5:23











            • @Hurkyl Right. I meant to say that for every $n$ there is a set of $n$ independent vectors. That doesn't use the axiom of choice, right?
              – saulspatz
              Aug 17 at 5:26
















            • I doubt that the OP has seen a proof that every vector space has a basis.
              – saulspatz
              Aug 17 at 5:12










            • But then, how can one talk about "dimension" without talking about basis? Is there some other way?
              – Aniruddha Deshmukh
              Aug 17 at 5:14










            • Well, you can define "infinite-dimensional" in an elementary course to mean that the is no finite basis. Then you can construct a countable linearly independent set by induction.
              – saulspatz
              Aug 17 at 5:16










            • @saulspatz: ... using the axiom of choice! I remark this because it would be a clue to the OP on how to proceed. I wonder if it's consistent with ZF that there is a infinite-dimensional vector space that doesn't have a countable linearly independent set?
              – Hurkyl
              Aug 17 at 5:23











            • @Hurkyl Right. I meant to say that for every $n$ there is a set of $n$ independent vectors. That doesn't use the axiom of choice, right?
              – saulspatz
              Aug 17 at 5:26















            I doubt that the OP has seen a proof that every vector space has a basis.
            – saulspatz
            Aug 17 at 5:12




            I doubt that the OP has seen a proof that every vector space has a basis.
            – saulspatz
            Aug 17 at 5:12












            But then, how can one talk about "dimension" without talking about basis? Is there some other way?
            – Aniruddha Deshmukh
            Aug 17 at 5:14




            But then, how can one talk about "dimension" without talking about basis? Is there some other way?
            – Aniruddha Deshmukh
            Aug 17 at 5:14












            Well, you can define "infinite-dimensional" in an elementary course to mean that the is no finite basis. Then you can construct a countable linearly independent set by induction.
            – saulspatz
            Aug 17 at 5:16




            Well, you can define "infinite-dimensional" in an elementary course to mean that the is no finite basis. Then you can construct a countable linearly independent set by induction.
            – saulspatz
            Aug 17 at 5:16












            @saulspatz: ... using the axiom of choice! I remark this because it would be a clue to the OP on how to proceed. I wonder if it's consistent with ZF that there is a infinite-dimensional vector space that doesn't have a countable linearly independent set?
            – Hurkyl
            Aug 17 at 5:23





            @saulspatz: ... using the axiom of choice! I remark this because it would be a clue to the OP on how to proceed. I wonder if it's consistent with ZF that there is a infinite-dimensional vector space that doesn't have a countable linearly independent set?
            – Hurkyl
            Aug 17 at 5:23













            @Hurkyl Right. I meant to say that for every $n$ there is a set of $n$ independent vectors. That doesn't use the axiom of choice, right?
            – saulspatz
            Aug 17 at 5:26




            @Hurkyl Right. I meant to say that for every $n$ there is a set of $n$ independent vectors. That doesn't use the axiom of choice, right?
            – saulspatz
            Aug 17 at 5:26


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