Solving A Linear Recurrence Relation With Complex Roots

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Question:
For the given linear homogeneous difference equation, find the general solution:
$$y_n+2 + y_n+1 + y_n = 0$$
With the initial conditions of:
$$y(0)=sqrt3, y(1) = 0$$
Attempted Answer:
I approached the problem normally as one would except by solving the auxiliary equation which yields:
$$m^2 + m + 1 = 0$$
$$implies m = frac-12 pm fracisqrt32$$
Now the general solution is of form:
$$y_n = A left(frac-12 - fracisqrt32right)^n
+ B left(frac-12 + fracisqrt32right)^n $$
Here is the part where I get stuck when I substitute the initial conditions to form a system of equations:
$$A + B = sqrt3$$
$$A left(frac-12 - fracisqrt32right)
+ B left(frac-12 + fracisqrt32right) = 0$$
Now to make my life easier (which it really didn't), I decided to take a 'shortcut' and rewrite the 2nd equation as the sum of an imaginary and real part:
$$frac-12(A + B) + ifracsqrt32(-A + B) = 0 + 0i$$
Since the real part on the LHS must equal the real part on the RHS, and the same applies for the imaginary part, we obtain:
$$frac-12(A + B) = 0$$
$$fracsqrt32(-A + B) = 0$$
So the above implies that $A = B = -B$ which can only be true if $A = B = 0$. However if that is the case, then the first equation in the system of equations ($A + B = sqrt3$) implies that 0 = $sqrt3$.
I know that there is a mistake somewhere in the logic of my reasoning (I think perhaps when I equated each real and imaginary part of the LHS to the RHS) but I don't know why and where exactly. Please point out my mistake.
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Question:
For the given linear homogeneous difference equation, find the general solution:
$$y_n+2 + y_n+1 + y_n = 0$$
With the initial conditions of:
$$y(0)=sqrt3, y(1) = 0$$
Attempted Answer:
I approached the problem normally as one would except by solving the auxiliary equation which yields:
$$m^2 + m + 1 = 0$$
$$implies m = frac-12 pm fracisqrt32$$
Now the general solution is of form:
$$y_n = A left(frac-12 - fracisqrt32right)^n
+ B left(frac-12 + fracisqrt32right)^n $$
Here is the part where I get stuck when I substitute the initial conditions to form a system of equations:
$$A + B = sqrt3$$
$$A left(frac-12 - fracisqrt32right)
+ B left(frac-12 + fracisqrt32right) = 0$$
Now to make my life easier (which it really didn't), I decided to take a 'shortcut' and rewrite the 2nd equation as the sum of an imaginary and real part:
$$frac-12(A + B) + ifracsqrt32(-A + B) = 0 + 0i$$
Since the real part on the LHS must equal the real part on the RHS, and the same applies for the imaginary part, we obtain:
$$frac-12(A + B) = 0$$
$$fracsqrt32(-A + B) = 0$$
So the above implies that $A = B = -B$ which can only be true if $A = B = 0$. However if that is the case, then the first equation in the system of equations ($A + B = sqrt3$) implies that 0 = $sqrt3$.
I know that there is a mistake somewhere in the logic of my reasoning (I think perhaps when I equated each real and imaginary part of the LHS to the RHS) but I don't know why and where exactly. Please point out my mistake.
complex-numbers recurrence-relations systems-of-equations
@AndréNicolas from continuation, he just made a typo. I fixed it
â gt6989b
Oct 26 '15 at 21:00
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Your mistake is in assuming that $A$ and $B$ are real: $x + iy = 0 implies x=0$ and $y=0$ is only true when $x,yinmathbbR$.
â Winther
Oct 26 '15 at 21:06
I see, but I thought the coefficients that are part of the general solution $y_n$ (i.e. $A$ & $B$ in this case) are always all real?
â OthmanEmpire
Oct 26 '15 at 23:49
Thanks to everyone who contributed to the answer--they are a bit beyond me but I think I understand them a bit better after looking at them again after a month.
â OthmanEmpire
Nov 27 '15 at 15:42
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Question:
For the given linear homogeneous difference equation, find the general solution:
$$y_n+2 + y_n+1 + y_n = 0$$
With the initial conditions of:
$$y(0)=sqrt3, y(1) = 0$$
Attempted Answer:
I approached the problem normally as one would except by solving the auxiliary equation which yields:
$$m^2 + m + 1 = 0$$
$$implies m = frac-12 pm fracisqrt32$$
Now the general solution is of form:
$$y_n = A left(frac-12 - fracisqrt32right)^n
+ B left(frac-12 + fracisqrt32right)^n $$
Here is the part where I get stuck when I substitute the initial conditions to form a system of equations:
$$A + B = sqrt3$$
$$A left(frac-12 - fracisqrt32right)
+ B left(frac-12 + fracisqrt32right) = 0$$
Now to make my life easier (which it really didn't), I decided to take a 'shortcut' and rewrite the 2nd equation as the sum of an imaginary and real part:
$$frac-12(A + B) + ifracsqrt32(-A + B) = 0 + 0i$$
Since the real part on the LHS must equal the real part on the RHS, and the same applies for the imaginary part, we obtain:
$$frac-12(A + B) = 0$$
$$fracsqrt32(-A + B) = 0$$
So the above implies that $A = B = -B$ which can only be true if $A = B = 0$. However if that is the case, then the first equation in the system of equations ($A + B = sqrt3$) implies that 0 = $sqrt3$.
I know that there is a mistake somewhere in the logic of my reasoning (I think perhaps when I equated each real and imaginary part of the LHS to the RHS) but I don't know why and where exactly. Please point out my mistake.
complex-numbers recurrence-relations systems-of-equations
Question:
For the given linear homogeneous difference equation, find the general solution:
$$y_n+2 + y_n+1 + y_n = 0$$
With the initial conditions of:
$$y(0)=sqrt3, y(1) = 0$$
Attempted Answer:
I approached the problem normally as one would except by solving the auxiliary equation which yields:
$$m^2 + m + 1 = 0$$
$$implies m = frac-12 pm fracisqrt32$$
Now the general solution is of form:
$$y_n = A left(frac-12 - fracisqrt32right)^n
+ B left(frac-12 + fracisqrt32right)^n $$
Here is the part where I get stuck when I substitute the initial conditions to form a system of equations:
$$A + B = sqrt3$$
$$A left(frac-12 - fracisqrt32right)
+ B left(frac-12 + fracisqrt32right) = 0$$
Now to make my life easier (which it really didn't), I decided to take a 'shortcut' and rewrite the 2nd equation as the sum of an imaginary and real part:
$$frac-12(A + B) + ifracsqrt32(-A + B) = 0 + 0i$$
Since the real part on the LHS must equal the real part on the RHS, and the same applies for the imaginary part, we obtain:
$$frac-12(A + B) = 0$$
$$fracsqrt32(-A + B) = 0$$
So the above implies that $A = B = -B$ which can only be true if $A = B = 0$. However if that is the case, then the first equation in the system of equations ($A + B = sqrt3$) implies that 0 = $sqrt3$.
I know that there is a mistake somewhere in the logic of my reasoning (I think perhaps when I equated each real and imaginary part of the LHS to the RHS) but I don't know why and where exactly. Please point out my mistake.
complex-numbers recurrence-relations systems-of-equations
edited Oct 26 '15 at 20:59
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@AndréNicolas from continuation, he just made a typo. I fixed it
â gt6989b
Oct 26 '15 at 21:00
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Your mistake is in assuming that $A$ and $B$ are real: $x + iy = 0 implies x=0$ and $y=0$ is only true when $x,yinmathbbR$.
â Winther
Oct 26 '15 at 21:06
I see, but I thought the coefficients that are part of the general solution $y_n$ (i.e. $A$ & $B$ in this case) are always all real?
â OthmanEmpire
Oct 26 '15 at 23:49
Thanks to everyone who contributed to the answer--they are a bit beyond me but I think I understand them a bit better after looking at them again after a month.
â OthmanEmpire
Nov 27 '15 at 15:42
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@AndréNicolas from continuation, he just made a typo. I fixed it
â gt6989b
Oct 26 '15 at 21:00
1
Your mistake is in assuming that $A$ and $B$ are real: $x + iy = 0 implies x=0$ and $y=0$ is only true when $x,yinmathbbR$.
â Winther
Oct 26 '15 at 21:06
I see, but I thought the coefficients that are part of the general solution $y_n$ (i.e. $A$ & $B$ in this case) are always all real?
â OthmanEmpire
Oct 26 '15 at 23:49
Thanks to everyone who contributed to the answer--they are a bit beyond me but I think I understand them a bit better after looking at them again after a month.
â OthmanEmpire
Nov 27 '15 at 15:42
@AndréNicolas from continuation, he just made a typo. I fixed it
â gt6989b
Oct 26 '15 at 21:00
@AndréNicolas from continuation, he just made a typo. I fixed it
â gt6989b
Oct 26 '15 at 21:00
1
1
Your mistake is in assuming that $A$ and $B$ are real: $x + iy = 0 implies x=0$ and $y=0$ is only true when $x,yinmathbbR$.
â Winther
Oct 26 '15 at 21:06
Your mistake is in assuming that $A$ and $B$ are real: $x + iy = 0 implies x=0$ and $y=0$ is only true when $x,yinmathbbR$.
â Winther
Oct 26 '15 at 21:06
I see, but I thought the coefficients that are part of the general solution $y_n$ (i.e. $A$ & $B$ in this case) are always all real?
â OthmanEmpire
Oct 26 '15 at 23:49
I see, but I thought the coefficients that are part of the general solution $y_n$ (i.e. $A$ & $B$ in this case) are always all real?
â OthmanEmpire
Oct 26 '15 at 23:49
Thanks to everyone who contributed to the answer--they are a bit beyond me but I think I understand them a bit better after looking at them again after a month.
â OthmanEmpire
Nov 27 '15 at 15:42
Thanks to everyone who contributed to the answer--they are a bit beyond me but I think I understand them a bit better after looking at them again after a month.
â OthmanEmpire
Nov 27 '15 at 15:42
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What happens
when the roots of the
characteristic polynomial are complex
is that the solutions
have a periodic component.
Your case is
$y_n
= a left(frac-12 - fracisqrt32right)^n
+ b left(frac-12 + fracisqrt32right)^n
=a r^n + bs^n
$.
Note that
$r+s = -1$
and
$r-s = -isqrt3$.
If
$y_0 = u$
and
$y_1 = v$,
then
$a+b = u$
and
$ar+bs = v$.
Since
$b = u-a$,
$v
= ar+(u-a)s
=a(r-s)+us
$,
so
$a
=fracv-usr-s
$
and
$b
=u-a
=u-fracv-usr-s
=fracu(r-s)-v+usr-s
=fracur-vr-s
$.
In your case,
$u=sqrt3,
v = 0,
r=frac-12 - fracisqrt32,
s=frac-12 + fracisqrt32,
r-s=-isqrt3
$,
so
$a
=fracv-usr-s
=frac-sqrt3(frac-12 + fracisqrt32)-isqrt3
=-i(frac-12 + fracisqrt32)
=fraci2 + fracsqrt32
$
and
$b
=u-a
=fracsqrt32-fraci2
$.
(We are getting close.)
We have
$y_n
=ar^n+bs^n
$.
By the magic of
assigned problems,
$|r| = |s| = 1$.
$r = e^-2ipi/3
$,
so
$r^n
=e^-2nipi/3
=cos(-2npi/3)+isin(-2npi/3)
=cos(2npi/3)-isin(2npi/3)
$.
Similarly,
$s = e^2ipi/3
$,
so
$s^n
=e^2inpi/3
=cos(2npi/3)+isin(2npi/3)
$.
Also
$a
=e^ipi/6
$
and
$b
=e^-ipi/6
$.
Therefore
(finally!)
$beginalign*
y_n
&=ar^n+bs^n\
&=e^ipi/6e^-2inpi/3+e^-ipi/6e^2inpi/3\
&=e^pi i(1/6-2n/3)+e^pi i(-1/6+2n/3)\
&=cos(pi (1/6-2n/3))+isin(pi (1/6-2n/3))
+cos(pi (-1/6+2n/3))+isin(pi (-1/6+2n/3))\
&=cos(pi (1/6-2n/3))+cos(pi (-1/6+2n/3))
+i(sin(pi (1/6-2n/3))+sin(pi (-1/6+2n/3)))\
&=2cos(pi (1/6-2n/3))
qquadtextsince
cos(-x)=cos(x) text and sin(x) = -sin(-x)\
endalign*
$
You can get explicit values for
values of $n$ mod 6,
but this shows how the result is periodic.
A check is that
the result is real,
with no imaginary part.
This has to hold,
since the initial values
and the recurrence coefficients
are all real.
I can't see why $vert r vert = e^-2ipi /3 $. How do you derive that?
â Marcus Fermat
Jan 5 at 20:16
$r = -frac12(1+isqrt3)$. It's $r$, not $|r|$.
â marty cohen
Jan 5 at 22:13
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Your $A$ and $B$ have to be complex. Your system is equivalent to $$A+B=sqrt 3\-(A+B)/2-(A-B)fracisqrt 32=0,$$
which gives you $$A-B = i\A+B=sqrt3$$ and now it is to solve.
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Use generating functions. Define $A(z) = sum_n ge 0 y_n z^n$, multiá¹Âly your recurrence by $z^n$, sum over $n ge 0$ and recognize some sums:
$beginalign
fracA(z) - y_0 -y_1 zz^2
+ fracA(z) - y_0z + A(z)
&= 0 \
fracA(z) - sqrt3z^2
+ fracA(z) - sqrt3z + A(z)
&= 0
endalign$
Solving for $A(z)$:
$beginalign
A(z)
&= frac(1 + z) sqrt31 + z + z^2 \
&= frac1 - z^21 - z^3 sqrt3
endalign$
We need:
$beginalign
[z^n] A(z)
&= [z^n] frac1 - z^21 - z^3 sqrt3 \
&= sqrt3 [z^n] (1 - z^2) sum_k ge 0 z^3 k \
&= sqrt3 left(
[z^n] sum_k ge 0 z^3 k
- [z^n - 2] sum_k ge 0 z^3 k
right) \
&= begincases
sqrt3 & textif (n equiv 0 pmod3) \
- sqrt3 & textif (n equiv 1 pmod3 wedge n ge 2) \
0 & textotherwise
endcases
endalign$
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3 Answers
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active
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What happens
when the roots of the
characteristic polynomial are complex
is that the solutions
have a periodic component.
Your case is
$y_n
= a left(frac-12 - fracisqrt32right)^n
+ b left(frac-12 + fracisqrt32right)^n
=a r^n + bs^n
$.
Note that
$r+s = -1$
and
$r-s = -isqrt3$.
If
$y_0 = u$
and
$y_1 = v$,
then
$a+b = u$
and
$ar+bs = v$.
Since
$b = u-a$,
$v
= ar+(u-a)s
=a(r-s)+us
$,
so
$a
=fracv-usr-s
$
and
$b
=u-a
=u-fracv-usr-s
=fracu(r-s)-v+usr-s
=fracur-vr-s
$.
In your case,
$u=sqrt3,
v = 0,
r=frac-12 - fracisqrt32,
s=frac-12 + fracisqrt32,
r-s=-isqrt3
$,
so
$a
=fracv-usr-s
=frac-sqrt3(frac-12 + fracisqrt32)-isqrt3
=-i(frac-12 + fracisqrt32)
=fraci2 + fracsqrt32
$
and
$b
=u-a
=fracsqrt32-fraci2
$.
(We are getting close.)
We have
$y_n
=ar^n+bs^n
$.
By the magic of
assigned problems,
$|r| = |s| = 1$.
$r = e^-2ipi/3
$,
so
$r^n
=e^-2nipi/3
=cos(-2npi/3)+isin(-2npi/3)
=cos(2npi/3)-isin(2npi/3)
$.
Similarly,
$s = e^2ipi/3
$,
so
$s^n
=e^2inpi/3
=cos(2npi/3)+isin(2npi/3)
$.
Also
$a
=e^ipi/6
$
and
$b
=e^-ipi/6
$.
Therefore
(finally!)
$beginalign*
y_n
&=ar^n+bs^n\
&=e^ipi/6e^-2inpi/3+e^-ipi/6e^2inpi/3\
&=e^pi i(1/6-2n/3)+e^pi i(-1/6+2n/3)\
&=cos(pi (1/6-2n/3))+isin(pi (1/6-2n/3))
+cos(pi (-1/6+2n/3))+isin(pi (-1/6+2n/3))\
&=cos(pi (1/6-2n/3))+cos(pi (-1/6+2n/3))
+i(sin(pi (1/6-2n/3))+sin(pi (-1/6+2n/3)))\
&=2cos(pi (1/6-2n/3))
qquadtextsince
cos(-x)=cos(x) text and sin(x) = -sin(-x)\
endalign*
$
You can get explicit values for
values of $n$ mod 6,
but this shows how the result is periodic.
A check is that
the result is real,
with no imaginary part.
This has to hold,
since the initial values
and the recurrence coefficients
are all real.
I can't see why $vert r vert = e^-2ipi /3 $. How do you derive that?
â Marcus Fermat
Jan 5 at 20:16
$r = -frac12(1+isqrt3)$. It's $r$, not $|r|$.
â marty cohen
Jan 5 at 22:13
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
What happens
when the roots of the
characteristic polynomial are complex
is that the solutions
have a periodic component.
Your case is
$y_n
= a left(frac-12 - fracisqrt32right)^n
+ b left(frac-12 + fracisqrt32right)^n
=a r^n + bs^n
$.
Note that
$r+s = -1$
and
$r-s = -isqrt3$.
If
$y_0 = u$
and
$y_1 = v$,
then
$a+b = u$
and
$ar+bs = v$.
Since
$b = u-a$,
$v
= ar+(u-a)s
=a(r-s)+us
$,
so
$a
=fracv-usr-s
$
and
$b
=u-a
=u-fracv-usr-s
=fracu(r-s)-v+usr-s
=fracur-vr-s
$.
In your case,
$u=sqrt3,
v = 0,
r=frac-12 - fracisqrt32,
s=frac-12 + fracisqrt32,
r-s=-isqrt3
$,
so
$a
=fracv-usr-s
=frac-sqrt3(frac-12 + fracisqrt32)-isqrt3
=-i(frac-12 + fracisqrt32)
=fraci2 + fracsqrt32
$
and
$b
=u-a
=fracsqrt32-fraci2
$.
(We are getting close.)
We have
$y_n
=ar^n+bs^n
$.
By the magic of
assigned problems,
$|r| = |s| = 1$.
$r = e^-2ipi/3
$,
so
$r^n
=e^-2nipi/3
=cos(-2npi/3)+isin(-2npi/3)
=cos(2npi/3)-isin(2npi/3)
$.
Similarly,
$s = e^2ipi/3
$,
so
$s^n
=e^2inpi/3
=cos(2npi/3)+isin(2npi/3)
$.
Also
$a
=e^ipi/6
$
and
$b
=e^-ipi/6
$.
Therefore
(finally!)
$beginalign*
y_n
&=ar^n+bs^n\
&=e^ipi/6e^-2inpi/3+e^-ipi/6e^2inpi/3\
&=e^pi i(1/6-2n/3)+e^pi i(-1/6+2n/3)\
&=cos(pi (1/6-2n/3))+isin(pi (1/6-2n/3))
+cos(pi (-1/6+2n/3))+isin(pi (-1/6+2n/3))\
&=cos(pi (1/6-2n/3))+cos(pi (-1/6+2n/3))
+i(sin(pi (1/6-2n/3))+sin(pi (-1/6+2n/3)))\
&=2cos(pi (1/6-2n/3))
qquadtextsince
cos(-x)=cos(x) text and sin(x) = -sin(-x)\
endalign*
$
You can get explicit values for
values of $n$ mod 6,
but this shows how the result is periodic.
A check is that
the result is real,
with no imaginary part.
This has to hold,
since the initial values
and the recurrence coefficients
are all real.
I can't see why $vert r vert = e^-2ipi /3 $. How do you derive that?
â Marcus Fermat
Jan 5 at 20:16
$r = -frac12(1+isqrt3)$. It's $r$, not $|r|$.
â marty cohen
Jan 5 at 22:13
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
What happens
when the roots of the
characteristic polynomial are complex
is that the solutions
have a periodic component.
Your case is
$y_n
= a left(frac-12 - fracisqrt32right)^n
+ b left(frac-12 + fracisqrt32right)^n
=a r^n + bs^n
$.
Note that
$r+s = -1$
and
$r-s = -isqrt3$.
If
$y_0 = u$
and
$y_1 = v$,
then
$a+b = u$
and
$ar+bs = v$.
Since
$b = u-a$,
$v
= ar+(u-a)s
=a(r-s)+us
$,
so
$a
=fracv-usr-s
$
and
$b
=u-a
=u-fracv-usr-s
=fracu(r-s)-v+usr-s
=fracur-vr-s
$.
In your case,
$u=sqrt3,
v = 0,
r=frac-12 - fracisqrt32,
s=frac-12 + fracisqrt32,
r-s=-isqrt3
$,
so
$a
=fracv-usr-s
=frac-sqrt3(frac-12 + fracisqrt32)-isqrt3
=-i(frac-12 + fracisqrt32)
=fraci2 + fracsqrt32
$
and
$b
=u-a
=fracsqrt32-fraci2
$.
(We are getting close.)
We have
$y_n
=ar^n+bs^n
$.
By the magic of
assigned problems,
$|r| = |s| = 1$.
$r = e^-2ipi/3
$,
so
$r^n
=e^-2nipi/3
=cos(-2npi/3)+isin(-2npi/3)
=cos(2npi/3)-isin(2npi/3)
$.
Similarly,
$s = e^2ipi/3
$,
so
$s^n
=e^2inpi/3
=cos(2npi/3)+isin(2npi/3)
$.
Also
$a
=e^ipi/6
$
and
$b
=e^-ipi/6
$.
Therefore
(finally!)
$beginalign*
y_n
&=ar^n+bs^n\
&=e^ipi/6e^-2inpi/3+e^-ipi/6e^2inpi/3\
&=e^pi i(1/6-2n/3)+e^pi i(-1/6+2n/3)\
&=cos(pi (1/6-2n/3))+isin(pi (1/6-2n/3))
+cos(pi (-1/6+2n/3))+isin(pi (-1/6+2n/3))\
&=cos(pi (1/6-2n/3))+cos(pi (-1/6+2n/3))
+i(sin(pi (1/6-2n/3))+sin(pi (-1/6+2n/3)))\
&=2cos(pi (1/6-2n/3))
qquadtextsince
cos(-x)=cos(x) text and sin(x) = -sin(-x)\
endalign*
$
You can get explicit values for
values of $n$ mod 6,
but this shows how the result is periodic.
A check is that
the result is real,
with no imaginary part.
This has to hold,
since the initial values
and the recurrence coefficients
are all real.
What happens
when the roots of the
characteristic polynomial are complex
is that the solutions
have a periodic component.
Your case is
$y_n
= a left(frac-12 - fracisqrt32right)^n
+ b left(frac-12 + fracisqrt32right)^n
=a r^n + bs^n
$.
Note that
$r+s = -1$
and
$r-s = -isqrt3$.
If
$y_0 = u$
and
$y_1 = v$,
then
$a+b = u$
and
$ar+bs = v$.
Since
$b = u-a$,
$v
= ar+(u-a)s
=a(r-s)+us
$,
so
$a
=fracv-usr-s
$
and
$b
=u-a
=u-fracv-usr-s
=fracu(r-s)-v+usr-s
=fracur-vr-s
$.
In your case,
$u=sqrt3,
v = 0,
r=frac-12 - fracisqrt32,
s=frac-12 + fracisqrt32,
r-s=-isqrt3
$,
so
$a
=fracv-usr-s
=frac-sqrt3(frac-12 + fracisqrt32)-isqrt3
=-i(frac-12 + fracisqrt32)
=fraci2 + fracsqrt32
$
and
$b
=u-a
=fracsqrt32-fraci2
$.
(We are getting close.)
We have
$y_n
=ar^n+bs^n
$.
By the magic of
assigned problems,
$|r| = |s| = 1$.
$r = e^-2ipi/3
$,
so
$r^n
=e^-2nipi/3
=cos(-2npi/3)+isin(-2npi/3)
=cos(2npi/3)-isin(2npi/3)
$.
Similarly,
$s = e^2ipi/3
$,
so
$s^n
=e^2inpi/3
=cos(2npi/3)+isin(2npi/3)
$.
Also
$a
=e^ipi/6
$
and
$b
=e^-ipi/6
$.
Therefore
(finally!)
$beginalign*
y_n
&=ar^n+bs^n\
&=e^ipi/6e^-2inpi/3+e^-ipi/6e^2inpi/3\
&=e^pi i(1/6-2n/3)+e^pi i(-1/6+2n/3)\
&=cos(pi (1/6-2n/3))+isin(pi (1/6-2n/3))
+cos(pi (-1/6+2n/3))+isin(pi (-1/6+2n/3))\
&=cos(pi (1/6-2n/3))+cos(pi (-1/6+2n/3))
+i(sin(pi (1/6-2n/3))+sin(pi (-1/6+2n/3)))\
&=2cos(pi (1/6-2n/3))
qquadtextsince
cos(-x)=cos(x) text and sin(x) = -sin(-x)\
endalign*
$
You can get explicit values for
values of $n$ mod 6,
but this shows how the result is periodic.
A check is that
the result is real,
with no imaginary part.
This has to hold,
since the initial values
and the recurrence coefficients
are all real.
edited Aug 26 at 3:58
answered Oct 26 '15 at 22:02
marty cohen
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I can't see why $vert r vert = e^-2ipi /3 $. How do you derive that?
â Marcus Fermat
Jan 5 at 20:16
$r = -frac12(1+isqrt3)$. It's $r$, not $|r|$.
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Jan 5 at 22:13
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I can't see why $vert r vert = e^-2ipi /3 $. How do you derive that?
â Marcus Fermat
Jan 5 at 20:16
$r = -frac12(1+isqrt3)$. It's $r$, not $|r|$.
â marty cohen
Jan 5 at 22:13
I can't see why $vert r vert = e^-2ipi /3 $. How do you derive that?
â Marcus Fermat
Jan 5 at 20:16
I can't see why $vert r vert = e^-2ipi /3 $. How do you derive that?
â Marcus Fermat
Jan 5 at 20:16
$r = -frac12(1+isqrt3)$. It's $r$, not $|r|$.
â marty cohen
Jan 5 at 22:13
$r = -frac12(1+isqrt3)$. It's $r$, not $|r|$.
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Jan 5 at 22:13
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Your $A$ and $B$ have to be complex. Your system is equivalent to $$A+B=sqrt 3\-(A+B)/2-(A-B)fracisqrt 32=0,$$
which gives you $$A-B = i\A+B=sqrt3$$ and now it is to solve.
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Your $A$ and $B$ have to be complex. Your system is equivalent to $$A+B=sqrt 3\-(A+B)/2-(A-B)fracisqrt 32=0,$$
which gives you $$A-B = i\A+B=sqrt3$$ and now it is to solve.
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Your $A$ and $B$ have to be complex. Your system is equivalent to $$A+B=sqrt 3\-(A+B)/2-(A-B)fracisqrt 32=0,$$
which gives you $$A-B = i\A+B=sqrt3$$ and now it is to solve.
Your $A$ and $B$ have to be complex. Your system is equivalent to $$A+B=sqrt 3\-(A+B)/2-(A-B)fracisqrt 32=0,$$
which gives you $$A-B = i\A+B=sqrt3$$ and now it is to solve.
answered Oct 26 '15 at 21:06
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Use generating functions. Define $A(z) = sum_n ge 0 y_n z^n$, multiá¹Âly your recurrence by $z^n$, sum over $n ge 0$ and recognize some sums:
$beginalign
fracA(z) - y_0 -y_1 zz^2
+ fracA(z) - y_0z + A(z)
&= 0 \
fracA(z) - sqrt3z^2
+ fracA(z) - sqrt3z + A(z)
&= 0
endalign$
Solving for $A(z)$:
$beginalign
A(z)
&= frac(1 + z) sqrt31 + z + z^2 \
&= frac1 - z^21 - z^3 sqrt3
endalign$
We need:
$beginalign
[z^n] A(z)
&= [z^n] frac1 - z^21 - z^3 sqrt3 \
&= sqrt3 [z^n] (1 - z^2) sum_k ge 0 z^3 k \
&= sqrt3 left(
[z^n] sum_k ge 0 z^3 k
- [z^n - 2] sum_k ge 0 z^3 k
right) \
&= begincases
sqrt3 & textif (n equiv 0 pmod3) \
- sqrt3 & textif (n equiv 1 pmod3 wedge n ge 2) \
0 & textotherwise
endcases
endalign$
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Use generating functions. Define $A(z) = sum_n ge 0 y_n z^n$, multiá¹Âly your recurrence by $z^n$, sum over $n ge 0$ and recognize some sums:
$beginalign
fracA(z) - y_0 -y_1 zz^2
+ fracA(z) - y_0z + A(z)
&= 0 \
fracA(z) - sqrt3z^2
+ fracA(z) - sqrt3z + A(z)
&= 0
endalign$
Solving for $A(z)$:
$beginalign
A(z)
&= frac(1 + z) sqrt31 + z + z^2 \
&= frac1 - z^21 - z^3 sqrt3
endalign$
We need:
$beginalign
[z^n] A(z)
&= [z^n] frac1 - z^21 - z^3 sqrt3 \
&= sqrt3 [z^n] (1 - z^2) sum_k ge 0 z^3 k \
&= sqrt3 left(
[z^n] sum_k ge 0 z^3 k
- [z^n - 2] sum_k ge 0 z^3 k
right) \
&= begincases
sqrt3 & textif (n equiv 0 pmod3) \
- sqrt3 & textif (n equiv 1 pmod3 wedge n ge 2) \
0 & textotherwise
endcases
endalign$
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up vote
1
down vote
Use generating functions. Define $A(z) = sum_n ge 0 y_n z^n$, multiá¹Âly your recurrence by $z^n$, sum over $n ge 0$ and recognize some sums:
$beginalign
fracA(z) - y_0 -y_1 zz^2
+ fracA(z) - y_0z + A(z)
&= 0 \
fracA(z) - sqrt3z^2
+ fracA(z) - sqrt3z + A(z)
&= 0
endalign$
Solving for $A(z)$:
$beginalign
A(z)
&= frac(1 + z) sqrt31 + z + z^2 \
&= frac1 - z^21 - z^3 sqrt3
endalign$
We need:
$beginalign
[z^n] A(z)
&= [z^n] frac1 - z^21 - z^3 sqrt3 \
&= sqrt3 [z^n] (1 - z^2) sum_k ge 0 z^3 k \
&= sqrt3 left(
[z^n] sum_k ge 0 z^3 k
- [z^n - 2] sum_k ge 0 z^3 k
right) \
&= begincases
sqrt3 & textif (n equiv 0 pmod3) \
- sqrt3 & textif (n equiv 1 pmod3 wedge n ge 2) \
0 & textotherwise
endcases
endalign$
Use generating functions. Define $A(z) = sum_n ge 0 y_n z^n$, multiá¹Âly your recurrence by $z^n$, sum over $n ge 0$ and recognize some sums:
$beginalign
fracA(z) - y_0 -y_1 zz^2
+ fracA(z) - y_0z + A(z)
&= 0 \
fracA(z) - sqrt3z^2
+ fracA(z) - sqrt3z + A(z)
&= 0
endalign$
Solving for $A(z)$:
$beginalign
A(z)
&= frac(1 + z) sqrt31 + z + z^2 \
&= frac1 - z^21 - z^3 sqrt3
endalign$
We need:
$beginalign
[z^n] A(z)
&= [z^n] frac1 - z^21 - z^3 sqrt3 \
&= sqrt3 [z^n] (1 - z^2) sum_k ge 0 z^3 k \
&= sqrt3 left(
[z^n] sum_k ge 0 z^3 k
- [z^n - 2] sum_k ge 0 z^3 k
right) \
&= begincases
sqrt3 & textif (n equiv 0 pmod3) \
- sqrt3 & textif (n equiv 1 pmod3 wedge n ge 2) \
0 & textotherwise
endcases
endalign$
answered Oct 27 '15 at 0:07
vonbrand
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@AndréNicolas from continuation, he just made a typo. I fixed it
â gt6989b
Oct 26 '15 at 21:00
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Your mistake is in assuming that $A$ and $B$ are real: $x + iy = 0 implies x=0$ and $y=0$ is only true when $x,yinmathbbR$.
â Winther
Oct 26 '15 at 21:06
I see, but I thought the coefficients that are part of the general solution $y_n$ (i.e. $A$ & $B$ in this case) are always all real?
â OthmanEmpire
Oct 26 '15 at 23:49
Thanks to everyone who contributed to the answer--they are a bit beyond me but I think I understand them a bit better after looking at them again after a month.
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Nov 27 '15 at 15:42